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Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38431
10/28/04 12:27 AM
10/28/04 12:27 AM
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Americans are getting a little taller and a lot fatter. Adults are roughly an inch taller than they were in the early 1960s, on average, and nearly 25 pounds heavier, the government reported Wednesday. . . .
The report also documented an increase in weight when measured by body mass index, a scale that takes into account both height and weight. Average BMI for adults, ages 20 to 74, has increased from about 25 to 28 over the 40-year span.
Anyone with a BMI of 25 and up is considered overweight, and those with BMIs of 30 or more are considered obese.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=202831
To calculate your BMI, go here:
http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
or here:
http://www.blonz.com/bmi.htm
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38432
10/28/04 02:58 AM
10/28/04 02:58 AM
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John, I believe the reason people are getting taller (maybe one reason) is that they are consumming milk products which have hormones in them. Do you think this could cause this trend? I believe more and more people are encouraged to use milk today as well as cheese. Just 30 years ago we didn't have the accessability to ready-made foods in the grocery stores and restaurants so much.
Today you can find cheese sticks, cheese crackers, cheese bread, cheese pizza (of course), cheesy chips, cheese in everything it seems. My personal opinion is this must have something to do with the increase of cancer today.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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10/28/04 04:24 PM
10/28/04 04:24 PM
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Oh, certainly it does. And a lot of other diseases! There are plenty of articles about milk and cancer at http://www.notmilk.comDairy products are full of growth hormones, which make people....grow. According to Robert Cohen, in 1969 the average American ate about 10 pounds of cheese. By 1999 that had increased to 30 pounds per year. In 1969, the average person ate 18 pounds of ice cream; by 1999, that had increased to 30 pounds. Those figures indicate a lot right by themselves.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38434
10/28/04 06:11 PM
10/28/04 06:11 PM
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You would think Americans would be more careful about what they eat!
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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10/30/04 09:07 PM
10/30/04 09:07 PM
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38436
11/07/04 04:58 AM
11/07/04 04:58 AM
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I'm not getting any taller.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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11/08/04 04:01 AM
11/08/04 04:01 AM
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Hi all,
I have to throw in my 2cents worth here. We have heard the idea for many years that bovine growth hormone in our milk is responsible for increased growth, early puberty, and a host of other ills. While I am not advocating the use of dairy products, I do find there to be a flaw with the hormone arguement.
My son has a rare disorder which causes his pituitary not to produce human growth hormone. Because of this he is treated with a synthetic hormone which has to be given by injection, because growth hormone, like insulin is completely broken down by digestion and not one bit is absorbed in a form that the body can use.
Some nutrition writers seem to think that our increased stature is due to the increased protein and fat content of our diets. Vegetarian and particularly vegan children tend to be shorter than others throughout childhood.
elf
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38438
11/07/04 08:01 PM
11/07/04 08:01 PM
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Then how was it that Adam and Eve and the others were so much taller prior to the Great Worldwide Flood? We know they were not meat and dairy eaters.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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11/10/04 06:59 PM
11/10/04 06:59 PM
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elf, I got curious about what you posted, about hormones being destroyed in the stomach. Sounds reasonable. So I sent Robert Cohen an e-mail last night to inquire about the question of hormones surviving digestion and getting into the human system. He replied by e-mail that it would be too time-consuming to answer by e-mail, and asked if he could call me on the phone (!). So I sent him my phone number, and he called this morning. One thing he said was that in nature, mammal milk serves a special function, and that is to make babies grow. Human mother's milk makes human babies grow, right? So there's obviously a special mechanism in place to assure that growth hormones in milk survive digestion by the baby, whatever the species. The gist of what he told me about cow's milk was that the most powerful growth hormone in milk, called IGF-I, does indeed survive human digestion. This is because fat and casein molecules in cow's milk attach themselves to the milk's IGF-I molecules and protect them from our stomach acid. Some of the IGF-I is destroyed during digestion, but there's a LOT of that stuff in milk, so a good amount survives. It's often seen in nature that more of a certain thing is produced than is needed, for similar reasons. Male human sperm cells is one example, alligator and sea turtle babies are others. Cow's milk also has a buffering agent which neutralizes stomach acid. Drinking milk can change our empty-stomach pH from its normal 1.8 to a nearly-neutral 6.0 in short order. Below are some quotes gathered from some of Mr. Cohen's NotMilk newsletters: quote:
There are hundreds of millions of different proteins in nature and only one hormone that is identical between any two species. That powerful growth hormone is IGF-I. IGF-I survives digestion and has been identified as a key factor in the growth of every human cancer.
There are four thousand animals in the animal kingdom and millions of different proteins. Each protein is different, save one. There is a miracle of nature at work here...a cosmic coincidence that is so improbable as to approach the unthinkable. IGF-I in humans and cows is identical. A protein hormone containing seventy amino acids...a perfect match, picking the same amino acid seventy times in a row. Our most powerful growth hormone is identical to a cow's most powerful growth hormone. IGF-I, both in humans and bovines, contains 70 amino acids in the same exact order and gene sequence. A coincidence, the odds of which are astronomical.
A study published in the May 9, 1998 issue of the British medical journal, Lancet, revealed the absolute correlation of high levels of this powerful hormone in the bodies of women with breast cancer. IGF-I has made front page news in every newspaper in America as a result of that paper. Many months earlier, a similar study found IGF-I levels elevated in males with prostate cancer. The prostate cancer study was published in the journal Science in January of 1998. Many scientists call our most powerful growth hormone the key factor in the growth and proliferation of cancer. What these scientists do not realize is that IGF-I is identical in humans and cows. One 12-ounce glass of milk doubles the amount of free IGF-I in the human body.
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Does drinking milk increase levels of IGF-I in the human bloodstream? Two studies have confirmed that worst fear for milk drinkers.
The first, performed by Robert Heaney and published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association in October of 1999 (vol. 99, no. 10), determined:
"Serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in milk drinkers, an increase of about 10% above baseline but was unchanged in the control group."
A more recent European study published in the September, 2004 issue of the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Volume 58,9:1211-6) found that blood levels of IGF-I increased by a factor of 19% in a group of milk-drinking children and was unchanged in the control group.
Summary: IGF-I has been identified as a key factor in the growth of cancer. IGF-I is identical in human and cow. Drinking milk increases IGF-I levels.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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11/12/04 04:44 AM
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Hi,
Our bodies convert the GH produced in our pituitary to IGF1 which is what the body uses at the cellular level to produce growth. And yes, high blood levels of IGF1 are correlated with many human cancers. But this is something our bodies produce naturally. It doesnt just come from cows milk.
I have read that human milk contains growth factors that contribute to the growth of babies. When my son was a nursing baby that was not growing, I questioned his endocrinologist about whether the growth factors in human milk should be helping him to grow and he told me that they are destroyed by digestion. Perhaps the situation with hormones in cows milk is different than in human milk. Or perhaps he didn't know what he is talking about.
If the blood levels of IGF are so significantly elevated by drinking milk, perhaps I could be saving my family $300 a month by having my son drink lots of milk instead of using medication.
I'm not advocating the use of cows milk when I question this, but I do see lots of instances when people take a pet idea and run wacky with it, going into some unsupported territory with their ideas. Particularly when there is the conspiracy aspect of it (as in government sources deny that there is any problem from hormones in cows milk). Which is a theme seen on the nomilk website.
Sorry to be causing controversy here, but I'm still skeptical. This is great food for thought and discussion!
elf
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38441
11/13/04 04:23 AM
11/13/04 04:23 AM
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Ah, controversy isn't always bad; it makes a person dig for facts, learn things.
R. Cohen definitely has an agenda, no doubt about it; but the thing is, he can back up everything he says with solid documentation, medical and otherwise. I don't trust any human 100%, except the One ministering for us in heaven right now; but still I tend towards believing Mr. Cohen when comparing him to companies like Monsanto and agencies like the FDA. I knew they didn't have the best interests of the public at heart before I ever heard of a NotMilkMan!
One more thing about what your doctor told you, about growth hormones in human milk being destroyed by digestion -- if that were so, how did babies grow for the millennia that mother's milk was their only means of sustenance, before we had man-made formula? It doesn't make sense.
Cow's milk makes baby cows grow. Human milk makes baby humans grow. Why? Because they contain growth hormones, which logically must survive digestion. Otherwise the babies wouldn't grow.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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11/13/04 03:10 PM
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The brain produces GH for kids to grow on. I'll post a couple of quotes from a website that I use for understanding all of this hormone stuff.
"GH is synthesised in the anterior pituitary, where it is store in secretory granules. It is the most abundant hormone in the pituitary accounting for 25% of the gland’s hormones (1)."
"Within the first hours of postnatal life in the human markedly amplified GH secretory bursts are observed throughout day and night (80."
"Extensive literature exists on the pattern of GH secretion in puberty but only in the last decade studies have concentrated in the prepubertal period. In the decade before puberty 24h pulsatile GH secretion rates (estimated as 200-600ug/day) are stable from day to day and approximate (81-83)."
" In the short-term the height velocity of a healthy individual fluctuates i.e. seasonal or longer periodicity has been shown (87-89). It appears that some phases of growth are more important in their effect on final height. For example a child who is born short has a greater chance of being a short adult. The timing and duration of puberty are also crucial factors in determining final height."
Just as a bit of commentary, I think this is where the interesting bit comes in, because there is research that shows that high intake of animal fat interferes with hormone balance causing earlier puberty. This is why I find the idea that vegetarian and vegan children are shorter through childhood to be interesting. They also tend to go through puberty a bit later because of the lower fat in their diets and are not necessarily shorter adults.
"Elegant studies in the last two decades established that the key hormonal axis, the GH-IGF axis, in which GH and IGF-I are produced from early fetal life play a significant role in human linear growth. More recent in vivo and in vitro studies have demonstrated that this axis is composed of hormones with highly specific binding proteins, which modulate their interactions with specific receptors."
If these proteins are highly specific to their receptors, is it still likely that similar hormones from another species will react to the receptors in the same way? I dont know the answer to this, but I am curious. Maybe the answer is out there on the net somewhere.
I also found this quote on growth factors in human milk. I'm not sure how much these growth factors contribute to growth relative to the pituitary activity. According to my son's specialist not much, but that may not be accurate.
"Human milk also contains growth modulators such as epidermal growth factor (EGF), nerve growth factor (NGF), insulinlike growth factors (IGFs), and interleukins. Transforming growth factor (TGF)–alpha, TGF-beta, and granulocyte colony-stimulating factor (G-CSF) are also identified in human milk. These growth modulators are produced either by the epithelial cells of the mammary gland or by activated macrophages, lymphocytes (mainly T cells), or neutrophils in the milk."
I'd have to agree that monsanto and the other corporate giants arent' to be trusted to have our best interests at heart,
elf
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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11/14/04 03:07 AM
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Another thing that R. Cohen told me on the phone the other day, is that the presence of hormones from external sources stimulates the internal production of hormones by the pituitary. This is especially true of the IGF-I in cow's milk -- it's identical in every respect to the IGF-I produced by humans. That's the only place in nature where this occurs between two species, and the importance of this has been largely overlooked. IGF-I has been associated with a good number of cancers in humans. The medical studies cited above showed that drinking cow's milk raises the IGF-I level in humans.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38444
11/14/04 11:07 AM
11/14/04 11:07 AM
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From doing a quick search on IGF-I, it seems it does alot of things. One article in New England journal of medicine says lacking functional receptors for it in some cases leads to growth retardation. Two articles in a "National center for biotechnology information" 1 , 2 , suggests that it opposes cell suicide, a mechanism that removes damaged cells as cleanly as possible. This would explain why higher levels of IGF-I could lead to cancer. The other relates to IGF-I effects on the bones. Another article suggesting IGF-I helps build bone. Finaly one article that says lack of IGF-I may prevent normal brain develeopement. Here I hope noone will be offended by me posting these links. They do deal with this threads content though they are a bit technical for those who have not studied biology/chemistry or alike. /Thomas
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38445
12/09/04 08:40 PM
12/09/04 08:40 PM
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Did you hear the news about the chairs on the QE2?
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
#38446
12/10/04 10:37 AM
12/10/04 10:37 AM
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Haven't heard about the chairs on the QE2. Do tell.
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Re: Americans getting taller, much heavier
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12/11/04 12:35 PM
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Dozens of seats on the Queen Mary II, the world's most luxurious cruise liner, have collapsed under the weight of obese American passengers, according to Britain's The Sunday Telegraph newspaper.
The French company that supplied the cruise ship's chairs told the newspaper that many of the chairs have buckled under the weight of larger passengers.
A spokesman for Alstom Chantiers told the newspaper that some of the cruise liner's passengers, mostly those from the United States, were heavier than expected.
"It's not an English problem; it's probably more American," the spokesman told the newspaper.
http://www.newsnet5.com/travelgetaways/3981620/detail.html
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