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Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38872
10/08/01 02:35 AM
10/08/01 02:35 AM
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There are many in more than one denomination that believe in the Secret Rapture. Is the Secret Rapture fact or fiction, a true or a false doctrine? Why is it that they believe in the Secret Rapture in the first place? What texts do they use to promote such an idea? __________________________
In His Love, Mercy & Grace Daryl  ========================== Spelling correction only. [This message has been edited by Daryl Fawcett (edited October 09, 2001).]
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38873
10/09/01 07:33 PM
10/09/01 07:33 PM
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Good topic, Daryl. I think this a good way to be prepared to give an answer when we are asked.I believe that the following three verses are the primary ones used by them to support the Secret Rapture theory: Matt 24:36-44 One taken, one left
Lk 17:34-36 One taken, one left
1 Thes 5:2 Christ comes as a theif in the night
And I think they also use Daniel 9:26,27, not so much as to support a secret rapture, but in the timing of their secret rapture. Basically, if I have understood comments given me correctly, they use this to support that the tribulation will be 7 years (one week). Some believe the secret rapture will take place in the middle (the 3 1/2 days); others believe the secret rapture will happen just prior to the tribulation.
But I cannot claim to have a firm understanding of their beliefs on Daniel 9
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38874
10/09/01 07:44 PM
10/09/01 07:44 PM
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Why is it that they believe in the Secret Rapture in the first place? |
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Each may have their own set of reasons for believing so, but I believe it is primarily due to:- Satan's success at deception
- Small pieces of scripture taken out of context and incorrectly interpreted
- A sense of trepidation about the great tribulation and an intense desire to escape the tribulation
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38875
10/10/01 12:35 AM
10/10/01 12:35 AM
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Good point in their fear of going through the tribulation in the same way many SDAs fear of going through the Time of Trouble. Do they use any other texts? __________________________
In His Love, Mercy & Grace Daryl
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38876
10/13/01 11:25 PM
10/13/01 11:25 PM
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Here are a few notes I took while reading comments on the Left Behind message board, while trying to find an explaination as to why they believe what they do.The participants on this board are mixed: pretrib, midtrib, posttrib, those that do not believe in the secret rapture, and curious onlookers and people not sure what end is up but are seeking for the truth. Some seem to think that the prophecy about the order to restore Jerusalem has yet to be fulfilled; and they are looking for something to happen between Palistine and Israel that would fulfill some prophecy. Here are the brief notes I was able to get from one person's comments concerning their particular view(I cannot claim to fully understand their view; perhaps others more familiar with this could help fill in any gaps of my understanding):
Isaiah 11:11,12 defines "elect" in Matthew 24:31 -- Isaiah 27:12-13 talks about God collecting Israel (after the tribulation)Matthew 24 talks about post-trib coming of Christ to get Israel 1 Thess 4:16,17 talks about secret rapture of The Church (The Church not equal to Israel)
PERSONAL NOTE: The person who posted the info I got these notes from was very confusing. For later he stated that the Unbelievers are raptured first, then the believers are taken. (instead of Gentile Christians vs. Israel) [This message has been edited by DenBorg (edited October 13, 2001).]
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38877
10/13/01 11:28 PM
10/13/01 11:28 PM
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Daryl, are you differentiating between what the tribulation is and what the Time of Trouble is? Aren't they different terms for the same thing?
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38878
10/14/01 02:00 PM
10/14/01 02:00 PM
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I am using the word "tribulation" to which I should restate as the "seven years of tribulation" solely for the meaning they attach to it, and the words "time of trouble" for the meaning we attach to it. Does anybody know what the former means to them and what the latter means to us? __________________________
In His Love, Mercy & Grace Daryl [This message has been edited by Daryl Fawcett (edited October 14, 2001).]
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38879
10/14/01 07:11 PM
10/14/01 07:11 PM
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Ah! I'm with ya, Daryl.
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38880
10/14/01 10:27 PM
10/14/01 10:27 PM
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Yes! They have an interesting but false theology regarding the prophetic events leading up to the Secret Rapture, then beyond the Secret Rapture, leading to the return of Christ and the consequential 1,000 years of peace on this earth. They place the 70th week of Daniel's 70 Week Prophecy into the future and apply all the first conditional prophecies regarding Israel to the time of the end. It is interesting to see that they use the day for a year in that they see the last week or seven days as seven years which is where they get the seven years of tribulation from. __________________________
In His Love, Mercy & Grace Daryl
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Re: Secret Rapture: Fact Or Fiction?
#38881
10/15/01 03:28 AM
10/15/01 03:28 AM
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So, they place all of the 70 weeks at the end of time?For some reason I thought they applied only the 70th week to the end of time (at tribulation), but the first 69 weeks in the past. But I must admit this was a bit of an assumption on my part ... just an impression I got and not something definite. Any idea why they put this prophecy at the end of time? [This message has been edited by DenBorg (edited October 15, 2001).]
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