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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38963
09/11/04 08:31 PM
09/11/04 08:31 PM
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quote:

Quoted from posted 11-09-2004 03:28 PM
(B)that someone or some group actually sat down and said "Let's design a movement to lead people away from the true God."

Yes that someone is satan and the group of people made up around 1/3 of the angelic host which are now called fallen angels. Quite simplified without the use of high sounding words.


God Bless
Will

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38964
09/12/04 03:36 AM
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That's it, Will.

Cedric, as for Jesus giving the truest picture of God, that's absolutely true as well. But Adventism gives the truest picture of Jesus, by far, of any group of humans now in existence.

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38965
09/12/04 01:37 PM
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John, when you use the term "Adventism", what, specifically, are you refering to? Do you mean the Adventist doctrines, the people who make up the church, the Adventist sub-culture, the world-wide organization, or some other aspect of Adventism?

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38966
09/12/04 01:40 PM
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By the way, Will, people are not angles, so that responce does not really address the question I raised.

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38967
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The devil, with his other evil angels, however, does influence people to do their bidding through deception, etc.

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38968
09/12/04 02:54 PM
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Absolutly, Daryl, I agree completely.

But, do you think that some group of people actually had this purpose in mind when they formulated their ideas, and these ideas are only here for that purpose.

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38969
09/13/04 03:54 AM
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We really do not know as we can't read their minds. Only God can do that, however, it could be a combination of both; those who are deceived and those who may not have been deceived and know what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38970
09/12/04 05:01 PM
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Cedric,
I know pretty much where you are trying to go with your question, so I took it upon myself to get to the point.
Perhaps you have yet to figure out that the fallen angels are beings who are more human than human. Yet they will also suffer the fate of the wicked which is death, so if people can die the comparison is not difficult to understand.
God Bless,
Will

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38971
09/12/04 05:35 PM
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I'm a bit confused in reading this forum. It seems that some believe that the fallen angels are humans. Humans from were? From heaven? You believe that there were humans in heaven that were cast out? Humans were not yet created at that time from all I can figure and they were not created in heaven when they were created.

Far as I know earth is the only place humans such as ourselves are. Are there humans created on other planets? We are not told. But we are told that there is life other places then here. God created intelligent beings many other places because we are told that they are watching the turnout of how things go on earth for we are the only ones that have sinned.

Well, I got a little off subject there, but it just seemed strange to see comments do to angels being human. Did I understand wrong?

Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church #38972
09/12/04 06:06 PM
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No.. No one is saying that fallen angels are human. They are beings, spirits, fallen angels, and it is by these agencies that men(human, your average joe) are influenced.
God Bless,
WIll

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