Any religion that doesn't acknowledge the deity of Jesus Christ doesn't worship the true God.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." -- 2 John 1:9

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:..."
-- 1 John 2:23

Islam doesn't acknowledge that Jesus is God; it says that He was merely a mortal human prophet. So Allah, the god of Islam, can't possibly be the true God. Islam denies the Son, so it "hath not God."

Yes...But...Is it remotely possible that perhaps God has revealed himself to other cultures and people groups in ways he has not revealed himself to us? Just a thought.

I live in a muslim country, so I have learned a few things regarding this ploy.
Those is the keystone verses, John and no amout of blabber by ecumunical muslim writers can sway that. This spin has intensified for those muslims living in Western countries post 9/11. (It's human to want to lessen your offensiveness when you live in a nation of non-muslim "unbelievers"!)

One needs to understand that muslims have been missionaries in N.America and Europe for 3o years or more, and have learned what to say in order to blur distinctions.

The "All is One." hook fools those with no relationship with Christ, or those with a suberfical understanding of how deep that can be. Muslims see God as "Unknowable, distant and Unapproachable." And yet their traditions tell of Jesus making clay bird models to come alive! A Creator that is not God; isn't that mere trickery? There are many "holy stunts" in their traditions for Mohammed, giving credence that "prophets" have special rules, and don't need to ollow the Commandments.

No, muslims do not know Christ as He is, therefore the Father is a Mystery to them.

I dare say that, from that response, neither does the poster.

Despite the rhetoric, the question was not answered.

Which one of the six of us are you addressing, "Cedric"?

Well, "Ikan", it just seems that it should go without saying that on a "Christian" forum the "Love of Christ" should shine forth in the responces posted.

But let's get back to the question at hand...

Yes, the love of Christ should shine forth in all of our responses.

And yes, let's get back to the topic at hand and stop judging other's responses.

Thank you Daryl!
Pointing out what muslims misunderstand is not cruelty, but loving concern. If one thought that poison was water, would you debate cooly with the hand about to lift it to the lips, or boldly shout "Whoa, friend! You're making a deadly mistake!"???

The question, IMHO, is does misconceptions of Islamists about Isa (Jesus) create a false impression of His Father? Can God be understood without His only Son? "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." takes on new meanung.

Perhaps a peek at the Koran (Qu'ran) might help clarify what Islam teaches about Christ:

('Sura' = Chapter, 'People of the Scripture'= Christians)


Sura 4

Verse 157 "And because of their (Jews and pagan Romans) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
158 But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

Sura 5
51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them.
72 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise.
73 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God.
75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!


Sura 9

31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

If one studies Islamic history, it becomes known that Islam was only exposed to Catholic/Coptic semi pagan "christendom", not authentic and tiny faithful christianity as much. Observe the references to Mary and monks above.

Yes, there are any things in the Koran that are taken from the Old Testament, primarily, and a few tidbits from the traditional Catholic/Orthodox understandings of the New Testament in 7th century. Muslim scholars assembled the Koran over many years (it was not "revealed" in one lump to Mohammed, as muslim scholars will admit that parts were found many years after his death and "restored")based on wrong concepts observed in false and worldy christendom.

But I may be off base: Is this topic about anti-trinitarianism, comparing Jewish and Muslim scholarly concepts to each other?