Cedric: please answer the three questions in my last post.

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Post edited as the last remarks were not condusive to this topic. - Daryl

[ September 14, 2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Daryl Fawcett ]

Please ignore the above post as I inadvertantly hit "Add Reply" sooner than I intended.

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Originally posted by Ikan:
Cedric: please answer the three questions in my last post.

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Sorry, Ikan, you're not calling the shots here. Neither am I.

In the opening of this thread I asked a legitimate question. Now, this question may be old stuff to you, having lived in a "Muslim country" (which country that would be we are not told) 35 years, but consider the fact that some people may yet be pondering it.

Responses such as:
"I have learned a few things regarding this ploy"
"blabber by ecumunical muslim writers"
"This spin"
"to lessen your offensiveness "
"The "All is One." hook fools those with no relationship with Christ"
"a false or bigotted christian"
"muslim "scholars" "
have not gone a long way to point the way to a loving Christ.

(The first part edited out to conform to the editing out of a previous post - Daryl).....I am more interested in Truth than "Adventism", a knowledge of God than of "Ellen White". If this offends anyone forgive me.

*******Removed as it isn't condusive to a good and c lean topic - Daryl *******

P.S. In regards to your three questions, the answer is "Yes" to all of them.

[ September 14, 2004, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: Daryl Fawcett ]

Your comment about Ellen White is sad and shows you know very little about her and what she taught and its relation to the Bible.

When having evangelistic meetings "every" drop of what we believe is taught straight from the Bible, not Ellen White.

She always uplifted the Bible and said, "This is the book we are to learn from". She agrees with that wonderful book and taught "from it" always. It is the Bible that we take our teaching from. So I would take it that you really don't know as much about us as you may feel you do.

That said, I will also say that we are happy that you show some interest in learning or at least discussing. But if you are looking for more than Adventism I don't know where you are going to go. There is no other Church that teaches straight from the Bible. Even the Catholic Church admits that. The comment they made to the Protestants was:
"If you were to follow the Bible only as you say you do, you would be Seventh-day Adventists".

By Study of His love letter to us (the Bible) mankind learns!

I agree with you about the Holy Spirit. However the Holy Spirit was in Ellen White tremendously. Her advise to us is from God. And even though her advise is wonderful... the solid back ground is the Bible. She agrees with it cover to cover.

I once read a book written by a non-SDA about Prophets. His point was to find who (according to the Bible) was a real Prophet and who was not. He went through several self-accclaimed prophets and showed how they did not messure up. When he came to Ellen White (who was not self-acclaimed) he showed step by step how she experienced "every point" the Bible listed. Just like the Prophets in the Bible. That was quite a write-up for a non-Adventist and it was right on.

The point is that God has given, through all the ages, those who were searching, someone who could help them. He does not leave us to our own understanding. I recall the story of Phillip when he talked with the man riding and asked him what he was reading. The man said Isaiah. And Phillip asked him if he understood what he was reading and the man said, "How can I unless someone teach me". God loves us very much, so much that He not only gave us the Bible but He sends us teachers/Prophets that are willing to be used by Him so He can speak through them.

The Prophets we can trust are those who speak the truth, those who go through all the Bible says a true prophet will, and those who follow God's Word. Ellen White passes the test all the way.

I think we should focus more on what muslims do that is called "believing", since that is the topic and leave Ellen White out of it for now. Or open another topic on her.

Again, I would like to as Cedric if he can or will or might or care to address these questions:

If one performs religious rituals, like haj, mandatory memorized and automatic prayers daily, jihad and required circumcision of young boys and girls, is this belief or is this force?

Is death decrees on muslim converts to christianity (of any form) human force or Allah's All-loving Kindness?

This page has a lot of stuff about what Muslims believe:

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/islam.htm#difference

I thought it might help in your discussion.

I just went to www.google.com a minute ago and typed in "What do Muslims believe" and that was one of the first pages that came up, and it seemed to have lots of categories to read.

Claudia

Cedric states:
"We could apply any one of those concepts to Christianity."

Please go ahead and attempt applying holy war, killing of the apostates, circumcision of girls and boys, mandatory & memorized prayers, mandatory pilgrimages, etc. to Protestantism in general and Adventism in particular, Cedric.
After all, since this is an Adventist forum, and we will not defend Catholic Crusader insanity, I wish to see how you can lump us in with Muslim and Catholic beliefs amd practices . Therefore we need not point out the errors of Catholics, whose "viewpoints" have forced other's "viewpoints" by bloodshed.

Cedric

Your "politically correct" idea of "not judging" the beliefs of Muslims is just the reason why that false religion is growing by leaps and bounds in the United States now.

We are told to judge things "by their fruits".

You can see where the beliefs lead to. We are there fighting the results of these things in another country while "growing" it here. I havent read this whole thread but if you are saying we aren't supposed to judge what they believe in the way I think you mean it, well... that is why unsuspecting persons get involved in these types of things in the first place.

I have a couple of graphics websites and just a couple of days ago a lady who wanted to use some of my graphics was telling me she was a Christian but recently became Islamic. You'd BETTER judge it... thats why we have the Bible, as a guide to tell the difference between right and wrong. It is okay to judge something as being wrong.