HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
ekoorb1030, jibb555, MBloomfield, Dina, Nelson
1323 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,199
Posts195,610
Members1,323
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
Rick H 16
kland 9
Daryl 4
May
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Member Spotlight
dedication
dedication
Canada
Posts: 6,434
Joined: April 2004
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
6 registered members (Karen Y, dedication, Kevin H, Daryl, 2 invisible), 2,937 guests, and 16 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
New Reply
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41392
11/20/01 08:51 AM
11/20/01 08:51 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

The Nature Of Christ And How We Are Saved
By DavidTBattler

"The suffering and humiliation was also a part of the mission of Jesus. It is not alone by the cross we are saved." MS#77, 1899.

Christ had to die, and bear all of these punishments, and more, that we might live the life that He deserved...(DA 25). "Christ bore all of these punishments for every man, woman, and child; and for this reason, He can ransome every soul." (Ms.#77, 1899).

1) Isa.52:14 “his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the
sons of men:”
2) Isa.53:2 “he [had] no form nor comeliness;”
3) Isa.53:2 “and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.”
4) Isa.53:3 “He [was] despised and rejected of men;”
5) Isa.53:3 He was “a man of sorrows,”
6) Isa.53:3 He was “acquainted with grief:”
7) Isa.53:3 “and we hid as it were our faces from him;”
8) Isa.53:3 “he was despised,”
9) Isa.53:3 “and we esteemed him not.”
10) Isa.53:4 “Surely he hath borne our griefs,”
11) Isa.53:4 “and carried our sorrows:”
12) Isa.53:4 “yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.”
13) Isa53:5 “But he was wounded for our transgressions,”
14) Isa.53:5 “he was bruised for our iniquities:”
15) Isa.53:5 “the chastisement of our peace was upon him;”
16) Isa.53:5 “and with his stripes we are healed.”
17) Isa.53:6 “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;”
18) Isa.53:6 “and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
19) Isa.53:7 “He was oppressed,”
20) Isa.53:7 “and He was afflicted,”
21) Isa.53:7 “yet He opened not His mouth:”
22) Isa.53:7 “He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,”
23) Isa.53:7 “and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth”
24) Isa.53:8 “He was taken from prison and from judgement:”
25) Isa.53:8 “and who shall declare His generation?”
26) Isa.53:8 “for He was cut off out of the land of the living,”
27) Isa.53:8 “for the transgression of My people was He stricken.”
28) Isa.53:9 “And He made His grave with the wicked,”
29) Isa.53:9 “and with the rich, in His death;”
30) Isa.53:9 “because he had done no violence;”
31) Isa.53:9 “neither was any deceit in His mouth.”
32) Isa.53:10 “Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;”
33) Isa.53:10 “He hath put Him to grief,”

Christ had to die, and bear all of these punishments, and more, that we might live the life that He deserved...(DA 25). "Christ bore all of these punishments for every man, woman, and child; and for this reason, He can ransome every soul." (Ms.#77, 1899).

With these opening thoughts, let us begin to explore the age old question about “How We Are Saved? By first looking at the stated SDA fundamental belief about how we are saved, and then also, an in depth look into the book of Isaiah, and other pertinent Scripture passages.

Fundamental Belief #9. The Life, Death, and Resurrection of Christ: In Christ's life of perfect obedience to God's will, His suffering, death, and resurrection, God provided the only means of atonement for human sin, so that those who by faith accept this atonement may have eternal life, and the whole creation may better understand the infinite and holy love of the Creator. This perfect atonement vindicates the righteousness of God's law and the graciousness of His character; for it both condemns our sin and provides for our forgiveness. The death of Christ is substitutionary and expiatory, reconciling and transforming. The resurrection of Christ proclaims God's triumph over the forces of evil, and for those who accept the atonement assures their final victory over sin and death. It declares the Lordship of Jesus 15; Phil. 2:6-11.)

Is the above true when it says "It is not by the cross alone that we are saved?"

DA.756.002
Suddenly the gloom lifted from the cross, and in clear, trumpetlike tones, that seemed to resound throughout creation, Jesus cried, "It is finished." "Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit." A light encircled the cross, and the face of the Saviour shone with a glory like the sun. He then bowed His head upon His breast, and died.”

When Jesus said "it is finished," He was still alive.

Therefore, are we saved alone by His death?

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

It appears at first glance from above, that we are not saved only by the cross of Jesus Christ. It appears to be a case where we have been taught for years “only believe and you are saved by what Christ did on the cross,” and now we are confronted with Biblical information that may be saying something different than any other Christian denomination:

“We are not saved only by the cross of Christ. There are other things involved in our salvation.”

Is this possible? Are we Christians, if that is the case?

------------------
"...you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

DavidTBattler


Reply Quote
Re: Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41393
11/21/01 02:11 PM
11/21/01 02:11 PM
Edward F Sutton  Offline
Charter Member
Most Dedicated Member
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,428
Zanesville, OH 43701
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Looks like the life of Jesus Christ & those merits and strengths, mediated by Jesus Himself is what makes the atonement & the gift that accompanies the atonement.
A dead Jesus was no mediator, even though His testament was not in force till after His death. He didn't stay dead but it did not deactivate His Testament.

Woop's almost forgot to add this verse.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
------------------
Edward F Sutton

[This message has been edited by Edward F Sutton (edited November 21, 2001).]


Reply Quote
Re: Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41394
11/21/01 03:36 PM
11/21/01 03:36 PM
Charlene Van Hook  Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 603
North Carolina, USA
The Great Controversy--- Facing Life's Record
-PG- 489
The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death
upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven. We must by faith enter within the veil, "whither the forerunner is for us entered." Hebrews 6:20. There the light from the cross of Calvary is reflected. There we may gain a clearer insight into the mysteries of redemption. The salvation of man is accomplished at an infinite expense to heaven; the sacrifice made is equal to the broadest demands of the
broken law of God. Jesus has opened the way to the Father's throne, and through His mediation the sincere desire of all who come to Him in faith may be presented before God.

Sadly, the teaching "It was finished at the cross", "Salvation was finished at the cross" "It all Happened at the cross" is the predominant teaching of the world churches and this teaching is also creeping into the SDA Church. When the Sanctuary message is abandoned, The message is Justification only...."only believe" no santification needed
but as we read above...the salvation process takes you through the two apartments, ending in glorification.
Thank you Jesus for the 'Gospel in Symbols'.

------------------
God Is love, He is coming soon,
Charlene


Reply Quote
Re: Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41395
11/22/01 04:11 AM
11/22/01 04:11 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I appreciate the responses so far; and I would like to ask more questions before replying too much.

Above; I have named from Isaiah somewhere around 32 different things that Jesus went through, that I have labelled as "punishments." These things are a part of the life of Christ; and as such; since "we are saved by His life;" exactly how are we saved by these "punishments?"

I want to quote something from a well-known and revered theologian as an example of errant theology; that at first glance, seems pretty good, but in reality leads to deception, in terms of Christ being our Lord.

Much of what we are taught, makes Him Savior; and why is the Lord part left out so often, and what effect is this having on our churches?
Here is the quote by Oswald Chambers:

"We are too much given to thinking of the cross as something we must get through; we get through it, only in order to get into it. The cross stands for one thing only for us; a complete and entire, and absolute identification; with the Lord Jesus Christ..." (My Utmost, pg.219)

If the cross is COMPLETE identification with Christ; what then are all these "punishments" of Christ?

"We are saved by His life."

------------------
"...you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

DavidTBattler


Reply Quote
Re: Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41396
11/22/01 02:58 PM
11/22/01 02:58 PM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Let me try to clarify a bit more; and cut to the quick here, by asking the real question I am interested in discussing. I will just post the question; and then leave it at that for a short while:

What is the real value of the Atonement Of Jesus Christ?

------------------
"...you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

DavidTBattler


Reply Quote
Re: Nature Of Christ, And How We Are Saved #41397
12/20/01 08:29 AM
12/20/01 08:29 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Does the "blood" we are saved by, apply only to the cross?

I have been trying to figure this out for a while. It seemed from the above posts that there was some elusive dichotomy in the material I quoted.

I have just found something while looking for something else. I think we are now getting closer to a reconciliation of the ebove question I posed:

I have been searching for weeks to try and figure this out. The Lord has just showed me what I have been wondering.

I will post it below:

SAN.1900-01-01.019
"Whether rich or poor, we must never forget that the poverty of Christ was part of His legacy to humanity. It was not alone His betrayal in the garden or His agony upon the cross that constituted the atonement. The humiliation of which His poverty formed a part was included in His great sacrifice. The whole series of sorrows which compassed humanity Christ bore upon His divine soul."

Do you now see a clearer connection to
Romans 5:10:

"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

What is it about "His life" that saves us?

[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: DavidTBattler ]


Reply Quote
Quick Reply

Options
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is enabled
CAPTCHA Verification



Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 04/30/24 10:34 PM
Are the words in the Bible "imperfect"?
by Rick H. 04/26/24 06:05 PM
Nebuchadnezzar Speaks: The Sunday Law
by dedication. 04/22/24 05:15 PM
Nebuchadnezzar Speaks: Part Two
by TruthinTypes. 04/21/24 11:14 PM
Where is the crises with Climate mandates?
by dedication. 04/21/24 09:25 PM
2nd Quarter 2024 The Great Controversy
by dedication. 04/21/24 06:41 PM
Iran strikes Israel as War Expands
by dedication. 04/21/24 05:07 PM
What Happens at the End.
by Rick H. 04/20/24 11:39 AM
Global Warming Farce
by kland. 04/18/24 05:51 PM
Will You Take The Wuhan Virus Vaccine?
by kland. 04/11/24 12:24 PM
Chinese Revival?
by ProdigalOne. 04/06/24 06:12 PM
Carbon Dioxide What's so Bad about It?
by Daryl. 04/05/24 12:04 PM
Destruction of Canadian culture
by ProdigalOne. 04/05/24 07:46 AM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
Is There A Connection Between WO & LGBTQ?
by dedication. 05/02/24 08:58 PM
When Does Satan Impersonate Christ?
by Daryl. 05/01/24 07:58 PM
The Papacy And The American Election
by Rick H. 04/30/24 09:34 AM
The Wound Is Healed! The Mark Is Forming!
by dedication. 04/22/24 06:04 PM
Christian Nationalism/Sunday/C
limate Change

by Rick H. 04/13/24 10:19 AM
A Second American Civil War?
by kland. 04/11/24 12:39 PM
A.I. - The New God?
by kland. 04/11/24 12:34 PM
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by ProdigalOne. 04/06/24 07:10 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1