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Re: Human Clone Births #42402
01/09/03 02:50 PM
01/09/03 02:50 PM
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I thought so! [Roll Eyes]

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Re: Human Clone Births #42403
01/10/03 04:19 AM
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Well, have we arrived at a confusing conclusion to this topic, meaning that there isn't any clear answer from the Bible/SOP?

Re: Human Clone Births #42404
01/09/03 05:41 PM
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Daryl:

There are many areas of life where one does not find a clear statement. In such cases, one can best search for Biblical principles and then seek to find an application for our present life.

There are even times when it appears that all possible responses are outside of God's will, that there is no response that clearly lies within the will of God. In such cases, one can chose to do nothing. But, many of us believe that God calls us to intervene in the world of sin, and that it is outside of God's will to simply ignore, and that God has placed us in the position so that we might act. In such cases, I will suggest that one can only do what appears to best lie within the will of God, as applied in this world of sin. That answer is not always easy.

Re: Human Clone Births #42405
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This thread began on human cloning. I am going to clearly state where I am, which will respond to some of the points others have stated, and with which some will disagree.

I do not believe that human cloning is a violation of the will of God, or against Scripture. I have studied enough human biology to believe that cloning a human, or any other animal, is NOT creation in any sense. God created life original, unborrowed, and underived. Cloning begins with already created genetic material. God created that. We do not create when we take material already created by God and allow it to come to develop into the creature God instructed it to become. God is the life-giver. We are not.

At the same time, I believe that there are clearly enough ethical reasons that tell us we should not attempt, at this time, to clone human life. It is wrong to do so now. These reasons are strong enough that one does not have to believe in God to see that one should not now attempt to clone human life.

Re: Human Clone Births #42406
01/09/03 07:18 PM
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Gregory posted:

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At the same time, I believe that there are clearly enough ethical reasons that tell us we should not attempt, at this time, to clone human life.

Then, you are saying, that it is, at this time, contrary to the will of God?

Re: Human Clone Births #42407
01/09/03 10:03 PM
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Daryl:

I am saying: Whether or not one beleives in God, there are enough ethical issues raised by cloning a human that seccular people can very well understand that it should not be done at this time.

Re: Human Clone Births #42408
01/13/03 04:24 AM
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An atheist bragged to God that he could create a living human being out of clay. So, he fashioned clay into the shape of a man, and just as he was about to make him come alive God sent lightning from above and the clay disappeared. The atheist protested. But God responded, Get your own clay.

Re: Human Clone Births #42409
01/12/03 08:22 PM
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Then, you are saying that it is presently also against the will of God.

By the way, this is Daryl posting under Gracie's name. [Big Grin]

Re: Human Clone Births #42410
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[I have removed the content of this post. After giving it second thoughts, I have decided that, at this time, I will make no comment regarding Daryl posting under the name of a woman--Gregory.]

Re: Human Clone Births #42411
01/13/03 01:30 AM
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I don't want to detract from this important topic, however, I am wondering what you actually said, if anything. [Big Grin]

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