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Re: Are we responsible for the expulsion of sin in our lives? #44666
12/31/01 09:16 PM
12/31/01 09:16 PM
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Avalee:
Those were some wonderful responses. I especially like the one about John and Judas.
An interesting quote about expellling sin in in DA 671. She says it is the Holy Spirit expelling misconceptions and error through His power and through the Word. We still control the choice of whether we will allow God to do it or not.

Re: Are we responsible for the expulsion of sin in our lives? #44667
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"The Spirit of God does not propose to do our part, either in the willing or the doing. This is the work of the human agent in cooperating with the divine agencies. As soon as we incline our will to harmonize with God's will, the grace of Christ stands to cooperate with the human agent; but it will not be the substitute to do our work independent of our resolving and decidedly acting. Lt 135, 1898." God doesn't lift us gently out of bed and move our limbs to dress us. We "resolve" to do that which has occurred to us through the prompting of the Spirit. This has been achieved thus: "Our will is to be yielded to Him that we may receive it again, purified and refined, and so linked in sympathy with the Divine that He can pour through us the tides of His love and power." HE pours through us.

"All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with Christ. And IF WE CONSENT (my capitals), He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will, that WHEN OBEYING HIM WE SHALL BE BUT CARRYING OUT OUR OWN IMPULSES (my capitals). "

Step 1 = consent
Step 2 = carry out our own impulses
"The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service.

"When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us."

So knowing God enables us to obey and overcome sin. And HE will blend our hearts and minds into conformity with His will.

We are responsible for getting to know Him. He is reasponsible for the rest.


Re: Are we responsible for the expulsion of sin in our lives? #44668
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So the effort is in getting to know God and choosing to submit to Him. Then the willing and doing will be according to our own impulses because we will be in harmony with the mind of God.

Re: Are we responsible for the expulsion of sin in our lives? #44669
01/01/02 06:11 PM
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Zyph, thank you for those insights. Great quotes, eh! Although I have this feeling that you are purposefully reminding us that there's nothing we can do to produce fruit, and it seems as if you are taking this point as far as to mean that not even our Spirit inspired and empowered thoughts, words and deeds are the result of our cooperating with heaven's appointed agencies? Am I misunderstanding you?

Seems to me God doesn't do the willing and doing for us, but rather He empowers us to will and to do it for Him. The problem doesn't seem to be that we lack the hardware to imitate the sinless example of Jesus. Instead, the problem seems to be that we lack the software. But when we completely submit and surrender ourselves to Jesus as our personal Saviour it appears that God miraculously installs the software necessary to operate our hard drive systems. And no, God isn't the one sitting at the keyboard - we are!

Perhaps these quotes will be helpful:

COL 98, 99 "The leaven hidden in the flour works invisibly to bring the whole mass under its leavening process; so the leaven of truth works secretly, silently, steadily, to transform the soul. The natural inclinations are softened and subdued. New thoughts, new feelings, new motives, are implanted. A new standard of character is set up--the life of Christ. The mind is changed; the faculties are roused to action in new lines. Man is not endowed with new faculties, but the faculties he has are sanctified. The conscience is awakened. We are endowed with traits of character that enable us to do service for God.

"Often the question arises, Why, then, are there so many, claiming to believe God's word, in whom there is not seen a reformation in words, in spirit, and in character? Why are there so many who cannot bear opposition to their purposes and plans, who manifest an unholy temper, and whose words are harsh, overbearing, and passionate? There is seen in their lives the same love of self, the same selfish indulgence, the same temper and hasty speech, that is seen in the life of the worldling. There is the same sensitive pride, the same yielding to natural inclination, the same perversity of character, as if the truth were wholly unknown to them. The reason is that they are not converted. They have not hidden the leaven of truth in the heart. It has not had opportunity to do its work. Their natural and cultivated tendencies to evil have not been submitted to its transforming power. Their lives reveal the absence of the grace of Christ, an unbelief in His power to transform the character."

COL 353, 354 "Talents used are talents multiplied. Success is not the result of chance or of destiny; it is the outworking of God's own providence, the reward of faith and discretion, of virtue and persevering effort. The Lord desires us to use every gift we have; and if we do this, we shall have greater gifts to use. He does not supernaturally endow us with the qualifications we lack; but while we use that which we have, He will work with us to increase and strengthen every faculty. By every wholehearted, earnest sacrifice for the Master's service our powers will increase. While we yield ourselves as instruments for the Holy Spirit's working, the grace of God works in us to deny old inclinations, to overcome powerful propensities, and to form new habits. As we cherish and obey the promptings of the Spirit, our hearts are enlarged to receive more and more of His power, and to do more and better work. Dormant energies are aroused, and palsied faculties receive new life."


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