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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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11/04/04 01:37 PM
11/04/04 01:37 PM
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Mike.
It is the first time I opened this topic, and reading your comment above makes me want to comment on yours even I have no time yet reading all of this topic.
You said: “Tom, just because we move and breathe and have our being, on account of Jesus, does not mean we are saved. The Bible makes a distinction between temporal and eternal life.”
Unquote.
I have a different idea about salvation. I believe that God had saved us already from the death through Christ redemption, this mean eternal life is in our hands. The reason we die again is because we live in sin and died in sin, where the wages of sin is death, so, we must die again the second death.
In His love
James S.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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11/04/04 03:55 PM
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James, how do you explain this passage:
1 John
3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death.
3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
When do we pass from death unto life? At what point do we have eternal life abiding in us? When are we considered a Christian in eyes of God?
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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11/04/04 05:21 PM
11/04/04 05:21 PM
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Although I'm not James, I'll respond.
We pass from death to life when we believe in Christ. Eternal life is given to us in Christ, who is not far away that we need to ascend to heaven, nor descend into the deep, but near.
The blessing has come upon all men; for "as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Rom.5:18. God, who is "no respecter of persons," "hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." Eph.1:3. It is ours to keep. If any one has not this blessing, it is because he has not recognized the gift, or has deliberately thrown it away.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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11/07/04 05:29 AM
11/07/04 05:29 AM
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Mike.
Tom has responded to your comment, I too will comment.
I read 1 John 3:14,15 as follows:
John understood and knew that he had been saved by Christ redemption, not only that, he knew that those who had the love of Christ in their hearts are fit for heaven and eternal life, those who hadn’t remain in death, for they will get the wages of sin – death, a wage for their own sin, which will happen after Christ awaken them unto life from their graves.
The love of Christ is the love to our brethren, having this, we belong to Christ.
Having not, we belong to Satan, for we love our self more.
In His love
James S.
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