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MM - She also says that the decision to implement the plan of salvation was made after they sinned,

TE - No, she doesn't say this. First of all, this would contradict her saying, "As soon as sin there was a Savior." She doesn't contradict herself. Secondly, it wouldn't be possible, because as soon as Adam sinned, he needed a Savior, whether she said so or not. Adam (and we) only live by the grace of God. The fact that we live, although we are sinners, demonstrates that God's grace is active in our behalf.

Another way of seeing this is from her statement that if we had to bear the guilt of our sin it would crush us. Adam would have been crushed had he had to bear the guilt of his sin, so Christ immediately began bearing it for him.

MM - which tells me that they, especially Eve, were in a state of sin for awhile before the plan was implemented. I realize you do not agree.

TE - Yes, I disagree. Your idea here makes no sense to me, for the reasons I've explained. I haven't seen you present any evidence for your view. I did present evidence for mine, which you have not dealt with, as far as I can determine.

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We know Jesus felt the woe and wrath of God, that He realized God’s hatred toward sin. Jesus had become sin for us and He felt the full brunt of God’s anger against sin – as if He were sin itself. We cannot know how much God hates sin, but we know He treated Jesus as if He were sin itself.

I cannot imagine God cutting sin any slack. I cannot imagine Him withholding one ounce of hatred and anger. I see, with limited perception, God unleashing all His pent up wrath and anger. To minimize how God treated Jesus on the cross is to undermine how much He hates sin.

And Jesus endured the combined wrath of God against sin as if He were sin itself. If we view things in this manner, rather than remembering how much the Father and Son love each other, I believe we can better understand just how much wrath Jesus really felt at the hands of an angry God.

It is easier for me to envision God taking out His hatred and vengeance upon sin than it is for me to imagine Him taking it out on Jesus. As such, I cannot begin to fathom the soul anguish Jesus suffered. Nor can I imagine God withholding His anger, or limiting His vengeance for any reason.

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Such love is without a parallel. Children of the heavenly King! Precious promise! Theme for the most profound meditation! The amazing love of God for a world that did not love Him! The thought has a subduing power upon the soul, and brings the mind into captivity to the will of God. The more we study the divine character in the light of the cross, the more we see mercy, tenderness, and forgiveness, blended with equity and justice, and the more clearly we discern innumerable evidences of a love that is infinite, and a tender pity surpassing a mother's yearning sympathy for her wayward child. (Bible Training School 12/1/08)

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When I survey the wondrous cross
on which the Prince of Glory died;
my richest gain I count but loss,
and pour contempt on all my pride.

Were the whole realm of nature mine,
that were an offering far too small;
love so amazing, so divine,
demands my soul, my life, my all.

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