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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/05/05 04:46 PM
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In case I didnt post this earlier I wanted to add that in Genesis when God created everything the word for 'creatures' is actually souls. The translators thought less of animals, and not that I worship animals, but God gave us dominion over them and to be stewards of the earth, so we have to take care of things, and this also means treating animals as a living soul. Here: quote:
nephesh {neh'-fesh}
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
b) living being
c) living being (with life in the blood)
d) the man himself, self, person or individual
e) seat of the appetites
f) seat of emotions and passions
g) activity of mind
1) dubious
h) activity of the will
1) dubious
i) activity of the character
1) dubious
I believe that the same thing happens to them that happens to us when we die. The soul returns to God, except they are not part of the redeemed etc etc..
GOd Bless,
Will
[ May 05, 2005, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Will ]
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/05/05 05:07 PM
05/05/05 05:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by västergötland:
Wouldnt the appropriate thing be to tell your children you dont know?
I am thinking like this, if the presence of God, the company of Jesus wont be enough to ensure happiness, what could possibly complete the picture?
Instead of saying I don't know, I think it is better to say, There is a possibility. Also, don't forget that Adam quickly became lonely in the presence of God and all the angels. He wasn't happy in Eden until God created Eve.
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/05/05 06:30 PM
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I am wondering if we got off track or came up with different scenarios.
What I mean is that Daryl asked if there will be pets in heaven, would that mean will our pets be there, does it mean we will be able to have pets that are animals from heaven as our own etc.
All I know is that God made us all with a soul, as a human race Adam and Eve dropped the ball big time, Jesus died for our sins, when we die our souls go to heaven, and thats where my dog's soul is at. Its condition is unconcious and thats all I know.
Its my prayer that see my best friend as big as a lion and perfect, but I took care of him as best I could and we all do.
You know God even knows when a sparrow falls. He must care when he sees his creatures on the side of the road dead whether domesticated or wild (saw a dead coyote a month ago, was sad)
This is very interesting indeed.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/05/05 06:59 PM
05/05/05 06:59 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mountain Man:
Instead of saying I don't know, I think it is better to say, There is a possibility. Also, don't forget that Adam quickly became lonely in the presence of God and all the angels. He wasn't happy in Eden until God created Eve.
Well, do you know? If you do know, then tell your children what you know. If you dont know, be honest about that.
Adam indeed grew lonely in the presence of God, but it was not due to any lack of pets. Remember God bringing every kind of animal created before Adam but none of them could fill the longing he had.
/Thomas
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/06/05 12:18 AM
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Thomas, dealing with children can be delicate. Telling them that their dead doggie might be in heaven is better than hearing their Daddy saying he doesn't know. Also, apparently your feelings about pets isn't as strong as mine, or my children's. That's okay, though, because we'll know the answer soon enough. And, you're right, if our pets happen to be missing in heaven, no one is going to be too terribly bummed. Jesus will make sure of it.
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/06/05 10:52 AM
05/06/05 10:52 AM
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Greetings Mike,
Dealing with children is a delicate issue. It is because they deserve the entire truth with us believing in what we are teaching. They certainly do not need made up stories or teachings in which we are not certain of.
Our education begins with the sanctuary lesson with Adam and Eve learning about it. It is the truth and if we are to inherit eternal life we are to be teachers of the truth.
The Grace of God will bring the fruit of love. Look at what the love of God projects into the living soul that loves Him:
Charity suffereth long,
[and] is kind;
charity envieth not;
charity vaunteth not itself,
is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly,
seeketh not her own,
is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity,
but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things,
believeth all things,
hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: ...
We must not regard pets above humanity. Though I know many that place the value of a an animal above humanity.
Death is something that is real. We can take the moments and teach our children the precious gift of Grace from Christ's cross. We can teach them the gift of eternal life that we may inherit if we are faithful.
We must teach them with the principle of love, which is a standard that never fails to teach truth to all that we will encounter, be it our littlest children too. Teaching with Grace is so loving and caring, because it is not us that teach but the power of the Holy Spirit, He does not fail to deliver perfectly.
Truly Brother Mike, we have lost our beloved dog of 12 years early last year. It was a most sorrowful experience. We adored him, he was the best pet. I answered questions with teaching the promises of heaven that we will have better than our precious animal that we lost. Teaching further the precious sacrifice of our Lord and Savior.
My children are happy and looking to heaven with blessed assurance that God has better for them.
Brother, you are very right it is a delicate matter and we must attend to pure present truth trusting that God's love will not fail. Oh, the precious Lord loves the little children and their little hearts are even more prepared to accept truth than the elders who have lived without faith and trust too many days in their lives.
Today we must use every moment as the enemy attempts to thwart present truth so that we might take our emotions rather than the blessed principle of truth to teach or represent Christ Jesus.
Brother, I will assure you that the power of love will teach better for our children.
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Fritz
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/07/05 11:22 AM
05/07/05 11:22 AM
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Amen Cheri...we must not water down present truth to our children. There will be enough of Satan's agents out there that will take care of that part...as faithful parents we will want to tell them the truth. Yes it will be a delicate matter in some cases but a must.
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/07/05 02:27 PM
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I have read somewhere in a question/answer format I think -- in the SOP that pets and animals would not be in Heaven. I always just figured the Lord would make new ones like the ones we had here on earth.
For some reason I'm unable to find what I am looking for on this subject but as I have time will keep looking. Perhaps I read it in the Arthur White six-book set on the life of EGW.
We have also always told the truth to our children too, in loving and kind ways, even in sorrow, about the wonderful things God has in store for us in Heaven. This built trust in us as parents by our children.
If I find anything on this subject I will post it here!
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/07/05 02:54 PM
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The Bible mentions that there will be animals in heaven including sheep, vipers,lions, and wolves.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Pets In Heaven?
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05/07/05 04:03 PM
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Cheri, which promise did you quote to prove to your children that Jesus will not bring their precious little friend to heaven with them when He returns? Was it the one so many people are looking for, but cannot seem to find? Did you quote Rev 22:18, 19 to discourage them from hoping their pet will be in heaven? Please, forgive me, if I sound harsh, but this is disturbing, and not because I place pets above humans, or even equal to humans.
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