Sign of the times?



--Ren

GC 588, 589
The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium. {GC 588.3}

Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason; sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from the work of preparation to stand in the day of God. {GC 589.1}

One God, many paths. Possibly true, but there is only one True Path.

Redfog

When will those who boast that they are on the ONE true path realize that this has given them NO advantage? We are still here and everyone still ends up pushing up daisies. This attitude helps no one. It only serves a selfish purpose. So you have the truth. Big deal. How has it benefited the world. I'll tell you. It has not. Every single one of your pioneers is the same place that the worst among men are. When will you realize that you have figured it wrong?

Darius the True Path I was refering to was a man named Jesus Christ. Sorry if that offends you.

Redfog

Where did you get the idea of offense from? Why are Christians so defensive when faced with the awful truth?

Darius,

You are quick to point out where you percieve that others are wrong, but not quite as quick to tell where the error is nor what the truth is (unless you acctually believe there is no truth...). Why not present your view for a change and not just critizice others views..

/Thomas

PS, On experience I expect you to post a wellworded attempt to dodge the question, please disapoint me.

Darius: "Where did you get the idea of offense from?"

Hmmm. I have no idea, certainly it was nothing in your post

And along with Thomas I'd like to know about this so called awful truth that you seem to know of. Please don't withhold it from us.

Redfog

Vaster, please keep your bonnet on. I did not say there was error. I plainly stated that the statement of confidence was of no benefit to anyone, because we are still here and all the pioneers are the same place all the 'wicked' people are.

If you want a truth it is that the Creator has left us with the responsibility of ushering His return and we have abandoned that mission in favor for another.

I hope that was sufficiently well-worded for your consumption.

Darius,

Keep my bonnet on??? Who do you think you are talking with? You said:

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When will you realize that you have figured it wrong?

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Im not quite clear over the difference between saying to someone "you have figured it wrong" and sayin "you are in error". Can you enlighten me? You said:

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I plainly stated that the statement of confidence was of no benefit to anyone, because we are still here and all the pioneers are the same place all the 'wicked' people are.

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What (if anything) do you have faith in? Are you a christian?

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Hebrews 3:14
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

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Have you taken into consideration in your 'truth' that a) we are not left alone in this task, God is still working in behalf of people, the Holy Spirit is behind everything done for Gods kingdom. b) if the sons are silent, the stones will shout.

Wellworded, not qute sure. How about speaking plainly? That be nice for a change.

/Thomas

Vaster, these ad hominem attacks contribute nothing. In any event, what I posted must have been plain because you responded.

Being in error could mean that one has adopted erroneous teaching. Figuring something wrong points to a miscalculation. There is a difference. There was no essentially doctrinal position at issue.

You ask what I have faith in. I don't know how you use the word faith. We all have faith else we would not get out of bed in the morning. I have confidence in the intelligence the Creator has blessed me with and in His promise to guide my footsteps.

The Creator has shown that He will not step in and rescue us from our refusal to follow clear and concise instructions while we arrogantly claim to "have the truth."

Darius you say having the truth benefits no one, on what do you base this statement on? Another question, just so we know where you are coming from, do you consider yourself a Christian? And why is it so bad to have confidence on ones chosen religion? Is there anything in the Bible that says there are many paths to Salvation? Or do you even believe in the Bible? Curious minds want to know.

Redfog

Darius, Why would your confidence in your intelligence be any different than for instance MMs confidence in his and the choises he has made? You have confidence in your intelligence and in God to guide your steps, well, so does I, Mike, Rf, did the pioneers etc etc. Despite this you set yourself above us saying that our confidence is vain.

Ah, the clear and concise instructions. Please tell us which these are (since they seem to differ from what we think they are).

/Thomas

Vaster, the facts speak for themselves. We are still here in this mess and none of the plans being pushed in our churches today have any hope of changing that fact. Spinning wheels do not reflect progress beyond, perhaps, the deepening of a rut.

Redfor, the world will be benefitted when the Savior returns to restore harmony ono earth. Unless we are engaged in working positively towards that end in ways that can be demonstrated our talk is just that; talk.

And we are back at the beginning none the wiser. Still all you told us is that something is wrong and still you havent said anything about what would be right... Talking about spinning wheels. I would have thought that a champion for straightforward action would also act straightforward, but what do I know?

/Thomas

Vaster, it all depends on what you are in search of. I don't have time for needless banter. If those who are on this list cannot admit that the present approach is unfruitful nothing can come from presenting an alternate view. People who are in the grip of deception, especially self-deception, are not likely to be good companions in the search for light.

Darius, what I am in search of is for you to stop your needless banter and speak plainly. If you have something to say, now is a good time to do so. If you do not have something to say, now would be a good time to stop sending lots of posts implying that you do.

I am quite aware that there are much in the present approach that doesnt appear to work, but since I am assuming that you are honest and I am observing that you still have not sent any constructive information to the thread I am forced to draw the conclution that you do not have the answere to our present lack. On the other side, it is not unlikely that such is the root of the problem, waiting for you to provide such an answere. God have mercy on me.

/Thomas

Vaster, you will be ready to discuss this when you recognise that we are in the midst of utter failure.

Jesus did mention that He is The Way, He also mentioned that there are 2 roads a broad one that will lead to destruction where eveyrone is on, anda narrow one that a few will find that leads to life. Isaiah 30:21 also mentions the same thing in regards to a path that God will lead us on.
Now the many paths as identified by the picture in this post is definitely something to be concerned about. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, Jews do not believe Jesus is the Son of God, and in fact think that the New Testament is man made, and Revelation is a psychedelic version of the book of Daniel (I read this with my own eyes).
So yes tghere is an element of blurring the lines and thinking we all worship the same God, when in fact Jesus Himself said "This is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent".
God Bless,
Will

Yes, as the topic title says, there is only one God, but unlike what the topic title says, there is really only one path to God, and that is through Jesus Christ.

All other so called paths are false paths.

Amen Daryl.

Darius it's hard to dialog with you when you won't even answer the simple questions we pose. Oh well.

Happy Sabbath ya'll,

Redfog

Darius, Ill be ready to discuss this when I find someone who is willing to discuss it with me. Until then, this seems a waste of bandwidth and forum storage space.

/Thomas

Redfog, the only question I refused to answer was yours regarding whether I am a Christian. I see no value in the question nor in the answer. Do my ideas become more persuasive if I am called a Christian? What do you believe a Christian is, considering the fragmentation in the community?

As to the many paths, how do you know that the path you claim to be following is the path that Jesus laid out? Just saying that one is a follower of Christ does not make it so.

Will, the question is "How do we get to know the true God?" Do we depend on what the Christian church says about Him? Is this information what Jesus was referring to?

Darius how a person defines themselves is paramount to knowing how to discuss a subject with them. For instance, if I'm talking to a person and they tell me they are a backpacker then I know a little about them and where they are coming from, especially in a discussion about the outdoors. If in a discussion about religion they tell me they are Christian then that is a basis for discussion. Not that we as Christians will agree on all things by any means however it does give us something to work with, a starting point. The more you know about a person the more you can have an intelligent discussion with them.

A Christian is one who follows Christ and accepts Him as their Lord and Savior.

Redfog

Then, by your definition I am a Christian.

Darius,
Have you visited the website in the picture posted?
God Bless,
Will

I have not, Will.