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What is the meaning of this quote?
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04/14/04 02:12 PM
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quote: God's Work Characterized by Calmness
Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Cor. 14:40. I . . . met a man and his wife who claim to follow the Word of God and to believe the Testimonies. They have had an unusual experience during the past two or three years. They seemed to be honesthearted people. . . . {YRP 331.1} I told this brother and his wife that the experience through which I passed in my youth, shortly after the passing of the time in 1844, had led me to be very, very cautious about accepting anything similar to that which we then met and rebuked in the name of the Lord. {YRP 331.2} No greater harm could be done to the work of God at this time than for us to allow a spirit of fanaticism to come into our churches, accompanied by strange workings which are incorrectly supposed to be operations of the Spirit of God. {YRP 331.3} As this brother and his wife outlined their experiences, which they claim have come to them as the result of receiving the Holy Ghost with apostolic power, it seemed to be a facsimile of that which we were called to meet and correct in our early experience. {YRP 331.4} Toward the close of our interview Brother L proposed that we unite in prayer, with the thought that possibly while in prayer his wife would be exercised as they had described to me, and that then I might be able to discern whether this was of the Lord or not. To this I could not consent, because I have been instructed that when one offers to exhibit these peculiar manifestations, this is a decided evidence that it is not the work of God. {YRP 331.5} We must not permit these experiences to lead us to feel discouraged. Such experiences will come to us from time to time. Let us give no place to strange exercisings, which really take the mind away from the deep movings of the Holy Spirit. God's work is ever characterized by calmness and dignity. We cannot afford to sanction anything that would bring in confusion and weaken our zeal in regard to the great work that God has given us to do in the world to prepare for the second coming of Christ.--Selected Messages, book 2, pp. 41, 42. {YRP 331.6} 331
What is refered to here, anyone know?
/Thomas
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Re: What is the meaning of this quote?
#6941
04/14/04 04:00 PM
04/14/04 04:00 PM
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I would say that the workings of the Holy Spirit are not for the purpose of show, such as we see in the way some people almost worship the gift of speaking in tongues.
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Re: What is the meaning of this quote?
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04/17/04 04:29 AM
04/17/04 04:29 AM
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Thomas, if you read further on at the bottom of page 42 and top of page 43, you will find this quote:
"In our speaking, our singing, and in all our spiritual exercises, we are to reveal that calmness and dignity and godly fear that actuates every true child of God."
Excellent chapter! I've enjoyed reading it again.
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Re: What is the meaning of this quote?
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04/17/04 05:00 PM
04/17/04 05:00 PM
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This is known as the "Mackin Case". If you have the EGW CD-ROM, put in the search word "Mackin". I'm including what was written about this from Vol. 6 of the EGW biography, which seems pretty self-explanitory. quote: Two weeks ago today, while I was writing, my son W. C. White came into my room and stated that there were two persons below who wished to speak with me. I went downstairs into our sitting room, and there met a man and his wife who claim to follow the Word of God and to believe the Testimonies. They have had an unusual experience during the past two or three years. They seemed to be honest-hearted people. {6BIO 172.1} I listened while they related some of their experiences, and then I told them something of the work we had to do, in meeting and opposing fanaticism, soon after the passing of the time when we expected to see our Lord. During those trying days, some of our most precious believers were led into fanaticism. I said further that before the end, we would see strange manifestations by those who professed to be led by the Holy Spirit. There are those who will treat, as something of great importance, these peculiar manifestations which are not of God, but which are calculated to divert the minds of many away from the teachings of the Word. {6BIO 172.2} In this stage of our history, we must be very careful to guard against everything that savors of fanaticism and disorder. We must guard against all peculiar exercises that would be likely to stir up the minds of unbelievers, and lead them to think that, as a people, we are led by impulse, and delight in noise and confusion accompanied by eccentricities of action. {6BIO 172.3}
In the last days the enemy of present truth will bring in manifestations that are not in harmony with the workings of the Spirit, but are calculated to lead astray those who stand ready to take up with something new and strange. {6BIO 172.4} I told this brother and his wife that the experience through which I passed in my youth, shortly after the passing of the time in 1844, had led me to be very, very cautious about accepting anything similar to that which we then met and rebuked in the name of the Lord. {6BIO 172.5} No greater harm could be done to the work of God at this time than for us to allow a spirit of fanaticism to come into our churches, accompanied by strange workings which are incorrectly supposed to be operations of the Spirit of God. {6BIO 172.6} As this brother and his wife outlined their experiences, which they claim have come to them as the result of receiving the Holy Ghost with apostolic power, it seemed to be a facsimile of that which we were called to meet and correct in our early experience. {6BIO 173.1} Toward the close of our interview, Brother Mackin proposed that we unite in prayer, with the thought that possibly while in prayer his wife would be exercised as they had described to me, and that then I might be able to discern whether this was of the Lord or not. To this I could not consent, because I have been instructed that when one offers to exhibit these peculiar manifestations, this is a decided evidence that it is not the work of God. {6BIO 173.2}
We must not permit these experiences to lead us to feel discouraged. Such experiences will come to us from time to time. Let us give no place to strange exercisings, which really take the mind away from the deep movings of the Holy Spirit. God's work is ever characterized by calmness and dignity. We cannot afford to sanction anything that would bring in confusion, and weaken our zeal in regard to the great work that God has given us to do in the world to prepare for the second coming of Christ.--Letter 338, 1908. {6BIO 173.3}
To me, this says that if we are NOT careful, satan can answer our prayers for the Holy Spirit with a evil spirit--which can deceive us into thinking that it is from God.
I think this is the reason for the text which counsels us to "try the spirits", for not every spirit is from God.
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Re: What is the meaning of this quote?
#6944
04/17/04 08:34 PM
04/17/04 08:34 PM
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Amen to that!
Test the spirits, yes indeedy.
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Re: What is the meaning of this quote?
#6945
06/06/04 01:37 AM
06/06/04 01:37 AM
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I thought that Satan was not able to read our minds,therefore if we pray silently he would not know what we are praying for. Is this right? I realize that in church in paticular there are times that you need to pray out loud. Just as I was writing this, Mark Finley (It is Written) was on 3ABN and said that when you pray the devil flees! He recommended that we pray outloud, esp. because we will not lose our train of thought, because the brain engages the mind! He said that prayer is a spiritual weapon in the hand of the believers. With prayer we become a link between heaven and earth. God pours out his blessings on those who pray. So I guess my question about silent prayer got answered. Thank you Lord!
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