1T578

“In this state of things it was decided that we would return to Battle Creek and there remain while the roads were in a muddy, broken-up condition, and that I would there complete No. 12. My husband was very anxious to see his brethren at Battle Creek and speak to them and rejoice with them in the work which God was doing for him. I gathered up my writings, and we started on our journey. On the way we held two meetings in Orange and had evidence that the church
was profited and encouraged. We were ourselves refreshed by the Spirit of the Lord. That night I dreamed that I was in Battle Creek looking out from the side glass at the door and saw a company marching up to the house, two and two. They looked stern and determined. I knew them well and turned to open the parlor door to receive them, but thought I would look again. The scene was changed. The company now presented the appearance of a Catholic procession. One bore in his hand a cross, another a reed. And as they approached, the one carrying a reed made a circle around the house, saying three times: "This house is proscribed. The goods must be confiscated. They have spoken against our holy order." Terror seized me, and I ran through the house, out of the north door, and found myself in the midst of a company, some of whom I knew, but I dared not speak a word to them for fear of being betrayed. I tried to seek a retired spot where I might weep and pray without meeting eager, inquisitive eyes wherever I turned. I repeated frequently: "If I could only understand this! If they will tell me what I have said or what I have done!"
I wept and prayed much as I saw our goods confiscated.

I tried to read sympathy or pity for me in the looks of those around me, and marked the countenances of several whom I thought would speak to me and comfort me if they did not fear that they would be observed by others. I made one attempt to escape from the crowd, but seeing that I was watched, I concealed my intentions. I commenced weeping aloud, and saying: "If they would only tell me what I have done or what I have said!" My husband, who was sleeping in a bed in the same room, heard me weeping aloud and awoke me. My pillow was wet with tears, and a sad depression of spirits was upon me. {1T 578.1}

--Ren

Ren, I believe this is so sad because it was people Mrs. White knew. It could have possibly been fellow workers in the Church.

These workers in the church obviously joined the fellowship of the Catholic Church and these same fellow workers took all her belongings.

I don't know for sure what this dream means but I've thought a lot about it. Do you know?

Sounds to me like the time of trouble.

My humble opinion is this...

Sounds like the tares and the wheat growing together till the shaking. Like betrayal from within during the time of trouble. And from those we never would have thought.

Sobering.

--Ren

Greetings Ren,

If we were farmer's in the field, we could see how wheat grows and how there is no difference between the grain of wheat and the tare!

They both look exactly alike until they bear up their fruit. When the tare bears it's fruit, it is no longer the tare because it is no lonoger hidden among all the good wheat.

Agreed, the wheat and the tares will grow together.

Yet this does not in any way signify that the evil will be clearly seen to others. For the tare is hidden and let us remember that hidden tare is only known to the Lord while mankind may have their suspicions and/or opinions.

Therefore to pull out people due to suspicion and/or personal opinion would be to remove the tares without ample knowledge. But if there is a tare which has borne its fruit, we are to be obedient and dedicated to the Lord to follow the established education which He has set forth to remove the known sinners which are not repentant to the Lord's will.

Christ teaches:

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Matthew
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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Currently we do presently live in the time of trouble because we are on probation but let this sentence be understood that it does not represent we are in "the time of trouble which the earth has never seen such before ."

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Fritz

Hi Cheri...always a pleasure to chat with you.

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Originally posted by Cheri Fritz:
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Yet this does not in any way signify that the evil will be clearly seen to others. For the tare is hidden and let us remember that hidden tare is only known to the Lord while mankind may have their suspicions and/or opinions.

Therefore to pull out people due to suspicion and/or personal opinion would be to remove the tares without ample knowledge. But if there is a tare which has borne its fruit, we are to be obedient and dedicated to the Lord to follow the established education which He has set forth to remove the known sinners which are not repentant to the Lord's will.
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Currently we do presently live in the time of trouble because we are on probation but let this sentence be understood that it does not represent we are in "the time of trouble which the earth has never seen such before ."

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Agreed. However...

(1) A tare is a tare because of sin. They will grow together with the wheat, but the seperation will take place after the close of probation and before the Lord returns. Those who are not sealed will experience the plagues, and no tare can be sealed and remain a tare. So the separation is something that God (not man) will do.

(2) "Terror seized me, and I ran through the house, out of the north door, and found myself in the midst of a company, some of whom I knew, but I dared not speak a word to them for fear of being betrayed." Both the Bible and Sister White speak of a great falling away. We dare not judge the unseen in a mans heart and mind, however, her dream does seem to point to some future time where those who once walked with us will walk away from the truth and turn on us.

Well, this is my view, which is open to correction.



--Ren

This like much other discussion looks so separated from the speakers. Watch the fruits of them over there. But Jesus once said that what we see in others are like grains of dust and mainly blocked out by the logg in our face. Could you or I be in the procession? Could you or I be in the crowd silenced by fear? Do we reach out to those in need of support or do we join the crowd giving a silent approval? There is way to much fruitgazing and fruitjudging going on in most christian circles today, adventists being not the least.
Can I get an honest vote, how many of you who have participated in this thread have applied it to yourselves? Remember that it is not someone elses fruit you will be judged by. If you desire to worry about someones fruit, it should be your own.
There are many spiritual gifts mentioned in the bible, teaching, apostleship, pastoring, prophesying, but there is only one gardener. Only God prunes the wine. One branch cannot cut of another one, that only the gardener can do.

As for the passage that begun the thread, it clears somewhat if the 2-3 pages that follows it are read.

/Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I agree that we should first examine our own lives to see what needs correcting. This should always be our prayer. That the Lord would reveal to us that which is not pleasing to Him.

Yes, there is certainly too much fruit gazing. But that is due to the intentions. We seek to justify our own falts / sins / lukewarmness, by looking for flaws in others. Love on the other hand would compel us to be our brothers keeper. Meaning, when we see fruit that is not of the Spirit, we should give our brother a helping hand, encourage him/her to repent and seek the Lord. To awaking while there is still time. To work while there is still time to work. If we did more of this, we would be much stronger than we are today.

But its prophetic is it not? The love of many will wax cold.

For the E Whote dream that I posted, I will read further the see what more she says.

--Ren

There was another discussion on this same vision in the "Surviving This World" area a little over a year and a half ago:

http://www.maritime-sda-online.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=69;t=000020