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Re: Lesson Study #3 - Jesus and the HOLY SPIRIT
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04/18/06 01:41 PM
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The issue of "superiority" goes to the fact that those who hold to the trinity doctrine don't believe that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God in his divine person, but is only the literal Son of God in his human person. I believe that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God in his divine person and in his human person and that in his divine person and in his human person he keeps the fifth commandment and honors his Father and recognizes his superiority.
In His humanity, Christ obeyed both His human parents and His divine Father. In His divinity, Christ has no beginning and, therefore, no literal Father:
"Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God" (Hebrews 7:3).
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Re: Lesson Study #3 - Jesus and the HOLY SPIRIT
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04/18/06 02:21 PM
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What I claimed is that the underived life is underived in the Giver, but not in the recipient. A life which is received from another source cannot be called underived.
Just on this point right now, Christ's divine life is the life of deity, ie. of the Godhead, which deity he has from his Father (as Dr. Glenn elucidated just now): since there is only one Godhead, the Son's divine life is not from another source than the one Godhead and so is underived and original in the Godhead which the Son as begotten of God, who is God in person. EGW was merely enunciating Christ's possession of the Godhead, not his unbegottenness as God - a begottenness she wrote of 'too' many times.
The Nicene Creed uses words like "God of God" as well as "begotten". Formally 'we' have neither today, and attempt to avoid tritheism with the three heavenly Powers being divine by their common purpose rather than common nature - which had already been excluded with 'our' rejection of ontologicl links...Nicea wasn't very far wrong at all, only possibly the objectionable ongoing eternal generation of the Son. Despite our pioneers' antitrinitarian stance, they agreed with Nicea on all other points of wording.
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Re: Lesson Study #3 - Jesus and the HOLY SPIRIT
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04/18/06 10:43 PM
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Colin, the meaning of “underived” is very simple: not derived from any source. If life was in any way transmitted to you, your life is derived. “Children derive life and being from their parents.” {ST, September 10, 1894 par. 5} As you see, Ellen White knew very well the meaning of the words she used, and her use of them was intentional. When she said “underived”, she meant “underived”. Quote:
Your point here was dealt with ably by a non-Adventist scholar where he wrote that any position happening to and received by Christ by his Father in the story of redemption is based on that position having been true before sin entered the universe.
I completely disagree. Christ received the position of High Priest. When was it that this position was true before sin entered the universe? Christ received the position of Judge. When was it that this position was true before sin entered the universe?
Is this perchance a JW scholar?
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