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What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73603
04/20/06 10:58 PM
04/20/06 10:58 PM
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The name of this topic is What does it mean about being saved?
In other words, at what point are we considered to be saved?
What does the Bible say about this?
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Re: What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73604
04/21/06 12:19 AM
04/21/06 12:19 AM
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It depends on how the word "saved" is being used. I'm assuming here you're interested in the concept of salvation, not the use of the literal Greek word, which actually means "healed." In terms of the race as a whole, the entire race was put into jeapordy by Adam's actions, and would certainly have been lost without Christ's intervention. So we can say of Christ's actions that He saved the world (which the Spirit of Prophecy says) or equivalently that Jesus Christ is the "Savior of the World" which is in Scripture twice I think (both John). In terms of the individual, one is saved by beliving in Christ, which is synonomous with being converted, believing in His name, trusting in Him for salvation, accepting Him as one's personal Savior -- there's quite a lot of ways of putting it. The best description I know of the process is Quote:
How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. (DA 175, 176)
We tend to focus, almost exclusively, on the individual aspect of salvation, although the corporate aspect of salvation is prevalent all thorughout Scripture. But our society is very individualistic, and in addition our thinking is more Greek than Hebrew, and the corporate aspect is more of a Hebrew thing than Greek. The corporate aspect of salvation was one of the points of the 1888 message which was greatly emphasized.
An analogy of the corporate and individual aspects of salvation is the emancipation of the slaves. On Jan. 1, 1863 (going from memory), Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. At this point in time the slaves were legally, or corporately, free. However, they had to hear the good news, and believe it, in order to individually experience their liberation.
Similarly, we have been corporately liberated by Jesus Christ, but must hear the Good News, believe it, in order to individually experience our liberation.
When Darius speaks of everyone being saved, I have assumed that it is in this sense that he is speaking, but I'm not sure if that's what he has in mind or not. Personally I avoid the term "saved" as I find it ambiguous. I think this is the reason for the consel in COL which states that we should not say, nor even think, that we are saved (where "saved" could be taken to mean safe from temptation, or unable to fall).
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73605
04/21/06 09:40 PM
04/21/06 09:40 PM
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I would simply say it this way.
What the Bible means about "being saved" is: "being made one with God".
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
This is the idea behind
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
meaning "knowing" in such a way so as that we are one heart, mind, and spirit with him.
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Re: What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73606
04/21/06 09:43 PM
04/21/06 09:43 PM
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Wrong. John 17:3 is about life eternal not about salvation. Salvation was accomplished through the life of Jesus Christ. Life eternal will be experienced when we know Him "in such a way that we are one." We should take the text for what it says instead of transforming it in our minds to fit our held beliefs.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73607
04/21/06 09:57 PM
04/21/06 09:57 PM
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The Bible uses the word save, saved, etc. often. Here is one of such usages: Quote:
Matthew 1:21 KJV And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21 MKJV And she shall bear a son, and you shall call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
What does shall save mean here?
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Re: What Does The Bible Mean About Being Saved?
#73608
04/21/06 11:41 PM
04/21/06 11:41 PM
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Wrong. ... Salvation was accomplished through the life of Jesus Christ. ...
His life is salvation; but, if that is only "his life" and it is not our life, then we have no part with him.
Sin establishes separation from God, and salvation establishes reconcilliation to God. So that which was separated is joined again.
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