Redfog, why should I be concerned whether you keep them or not. Conversely, why should you be concerned whether I keep them or not?

Well Darius I always thought that if I love my fellow man I'd want what is best for him. As a Christian I have an obligation to tell others about God, part of that telling involves the freedom one gets from keeping His commandments. (I am my brother's keeper). And keeping the law is a indication of our love for Jesus.

Redfog

The best telling is the showing.

Quoted from Tom:
James, your ideas, as I understand them, seem to me to be correct, in that you seem to be saying that love is the fulfilling of the law. However, this is nothing new, in terms of time. It's not something that started with Christ, but, as I pointed out, Moses taught this!

Christ brought these truths to light, however. He showed what it really meant to love; what love really looks like.
But the same Christ who gave the law in the first place is the one who taught Moses the principles which He Himself reiterated on the Sermon of the Mount.
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Quoted from Darius:
Let us be careful with our theology. This line of thought would suggest that Adam and Eve did not know how to love their children. Jesus came as man because the demonstration of love has always been obvious in man. He did not come to expose something that had been hidden but to reintroduce something that had been ignored.
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No problem Tom and Darius, I had said the same in my earlier post. You overlooked it.

Quoted from James post #82083 - Mon Jun 26 2006 12:25 AM
Do you think that Adam and Eve have this 10 Cs even after they multiply? They didn’t have this law, what is with them is the law of love Unquote.

In His love

James S
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Redfog

Do you really believe that a person who walks with the Spirt of God as his/her guide will sin? Remember the law which says "13 You shall not murder.", and we cant even agree about wether this means intentional murder or all kind of intentional killing such as in war.
Then remember Jesus said that "21You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. " Here is no question about what is meant and it goes way beyond the original commandment. Any somewhat civilized person can stay himself from killing another human, but very few if indeed any at all can stay themselves from anger and in their heart, or loudly insulting another person. That is without the help of the Spirit of course.

Remember what Paul wrote in Galatians 5 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Anyone who has a crop of this fruit is miles on the safe side of the law of Moses and is also in no risk of testing the boundaries of the law.

I agree with Darius, preach this at all times, IF nessessary, use words.

Are you folks really saying the ten commandments should be done away with and that they have have no useful place in a Christians life? Christ said If you love me keep My commandments. That sounds like relevence to me.

Yes I agree that the greatest commandment is that we love our neighbor but that was never meant to take the place of the others. The ten commandments lay down a basic framework as to how we are to relate to God and our fellow man.

Redfog

Gal 3

15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Rom3
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

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Q.4 ~ Q. 10. ……………………………………………………………………………………………..

Note.: The context of that verse doesn’t even speak of Christ, only of God. His primary readers would clearly identify the “law” as being God’s. The onus of the proof rests with whoever deny that.
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Love is the fulfillment of the law (10Cs), Love expressed in deeds as according to the 10Cs. But we only might express these deeds if we have the love of God in our hearts and we might have this love in our hearts if we live for God and walked after the Spirit. Thus, the focus is no longer the 10 Cs but Christ through faith in Him (Hebrew 12:2; Matthew 10:37, 38).

So, shall we abolish the law because of faith? No, we uphold the law!
For the law might still useable to discern sin and righteousness. But we understood that the ministry of the Spirit had replaced a ministry once is the first; the ministry of the law.

First, God asked men to be righteous by keeping His commands in exchange for life, which failed, and all came under condemnation except Jesus Christ who successfully kept it and rewarded with life.

God knew that no men might be justified by His law, but He still commanded men to keep it, because only through His law he might has the legal right to execute judgment upon men (to abolish sin and sinners through death) and thus justify Christ righteousness to become our sin redeemer. But it was in His plan from the beginning that justification at the end is by faith without the deeds of the law (Romans 3:19-22). So, when (the object of our) faith came, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the law).

According to my opinion in regards of other denomination’s view, this is the reason why Love replaced the 10Cs as the focus of our Christian living.

In His love

James S

James if the ten commandments are no longer valid is it no longer sin to disregard the Sabbath Is adultry no longer sin? If not why not?

Redfog