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Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74145
09/11/06 01:46 AM
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Why is the Law (Ten cs) not abolished yet?

Because as according to Christ (Matthew 5:17,18; Luke 16:17),it must be fulfilled first, and before the fulfilment take place, this heaven and earth may not pass away.

Since we still live in the old heaven and earth where Satan rules, it means that the fulfilment has not come yet.
What kind of fulfilment that must take place which make Christ delayed his 2nd coming?

In His love

James S

Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74146
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Because Christ from His heavenly ministry still must fulfill the righteousness of the law in his believer's hearts and life as according to Romans 8:4.

For those who think that the law was abandon 2,000 years ago, can Christ fulfill the righteousness of the law in them?

Can God sanctify them who abandon the Sabbath observation?

In His love

James S

Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74147
09/14/06 02:08 PM
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James, what are you talking about? What do you think God requires for Sabbath observation? Where does the Bible mandate attendance at a church service for Sabbath observation?


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Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74148
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Where did James say that one must be in attendance at a church service for Sabbath observation?


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The ten commandments is a transcript of God's character. It doesn't even make sense to speak of it being abolished. They embody the principles of love, as applied to human beings. They should not be thought of as rules to obey, but rather as principles which set out how one should live to be happy, or blessed.

This is what it means to say that God blesses those who keep His commandments, and curses those who disobey. The blessing is in the keeping of them, not an arbitrary response on the part of God for doing something He wants. Similarly the curse comes from living selfishly. Only misery, suffering and death can come from living with self as king.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74150
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Quote.
James, what are you talking about? What do you think God requires for Sabbath observation? Where does the Bible mandate attendance at a church service for Sabbath observation?
Unquote.

I use the only bible text that has a reference for Sabbath observation long since the ascension of Jesus Christ.

“Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.” Matthew 24:20.

What do you think God is talking here?
Christ was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem that will take place about 35 years after his ascension. He was talking “alone and private” to his twelve disciples (Matthew 24:3). So, when he said that his disciples should pray for the destruction would not take place on Sabbath, he was teaching us that Sabbath observation is attended at every Sabbath ever since his ascension. That the church should continue with the Sabbath observation as according to the 4th commandment.

Christ was talking to his twelve disciples alone, meaning that he put a mandate on them to teach the same about the Sabbath observation to wherever they preach the Gospel.

If in case he was talking to hundreds audience rather than to his disciples alone, we might say that his speech means nothing in connection with Christians to observe Sabbath, because it was said to the Jews, whom Christ knew would ever observe the Sabbath even they crucify him.

But he was talking to his disciples alone, he was giving them a mandate to continue with the Sabbath observation as according to the 4th commandment.
In His love

James S

Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? #74151
09/17/06 01:11 AM
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Where did James say that one must be in attendance at a church service for Sabbath observation?


I don't see where he did. There must be a misunderstanding.


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Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? [Re: Darius] #89138
05/24/07 11:05 AM
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I have read this thread and everyone seems to agree that both Christ and the Law are good. The debate seems to be about which one should we focus on. Why not focus on both?

You see the danger of saying we should really just focus on Christ without the Law is that you can then make any kind of Christ you want. This is what happens in the other churches who say they follow Christ but really use this as a way to excuse themselves from the Law.

Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? [Re: Anonymous] #89139
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Thought I was logged in. The last post was from me, in case anyone is interested.


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Re: Ten Commandments Abolished? [Re: Sean Meagher] #89144
05/24/07 01:33 PM
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On the other side of the coin. If we just focus on the Law we may make the same mistake the Jews made:

31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.[a] 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. (Romans 9:31,32)

I believe it was suggested earlier in this thread that God gave the Law as a legitemate way of salvation if anyone could keep it. This text in Romans says otherwise. You cannot attain "righteousness" "by the works of the law." Because righteousness is simply something we don't posses and need to receive (as a gift) from God.


Man has no choice but to choose.
- Jean Paul Sartre (1905-1980)

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