I am not aware of SDA's judging non-sabbatarians. In fact the SDA church I attend no one badmouths Sunday keeping Christians. Its actually the other way around from my own experience as I was told once "Are you stuck on your denomination" after I refused to go to a charismatic church where they believe that speaking in tongues is a subsequent gift of salvation, good people, and in fact it was my best friend who made the comment, but I digress. Even when presented with the truth of the Sabbath, they resort to Colossians and say it was nailed to the cross vs 2:14.
Now there are texts which I have read about that either bring down or make Jesus Christ to be very ambiguous . What I mean is that He is not referred to by name, but instead of the One, some interesting comparisons between NIV, NKJV, and other modern translations, even one of my favorites the NASB was dragged through the mud, but thats Ok. I think its good to have a variety of translations for study.
YOu may want to take a look here for a decent overview and comparison of different Bible versions.
God Bless,
Will

There are many problems are with translations and we can only touch on a few of these. One problem is that very often times can be translated in different ways (as pointed out above) or have different shades of meaning. For example, today how would you translate the word "mouse" or "Burry the hatchet". Does the mouse mean the animal or what I'm clicking on with the computer. Do you translate "Burry the hatchet" word for word, or do you look for a phrase the reader would understand that has the same consept?

There is the issue that in all the different originals there are no speaces nor capatalizations and in the earlier ones no vowls, or dubbed letters where we would double. When you see pl does it mean: apple, pal, plea. Usually they can figure out by the context bout sometimes there are places where they are unsure.

There are a number of words that appear in the Bible that the translaters don't know what the word means and thus they have to guess and there are portions where the translater does not know how to translate as they are not sure what the text is saying, or as in the case of the word "inn" in Luke 2:7 they have a litteral meaning of the word (guest chamber) but what not sure what it meant so they guessed that it was another word for inn. (Today it is known that the Kataluma, or guest chanber, was a room in a family home for family members visiting from out of town.) Also, there is not one original text, but the originals come from three different textual families, and while they are nearly word for world in the books Isaiah through Malichi (in our order of texts) there are still minor differences in these books, and some major variations in the books outside of these. It turns out that Jesus quoted the Old Testament a lot more than we thought he did because our versions and translations are from a different textual family.

Then there are problems that will make us modern Christian readers mad, different texts that would be very sexual in translation, that the translators tone down, or ideas that actually had a point in it's context, but since we have forgotten how to read the Bible in context the individual key text would send us into a fizzy fit, or be foundation for several cults to build their wird ideas on, so translators try to maintain a ballance between what the text actually says and what you and I want the text to say so that we don't get all bent out of shape.

One of the advantages of the NIV over the the KJV are writing to the modern speach usage, and that the NIV translators lived at a time where more copies of ancient texts have been found so they had a better understanding of the syntatics of more words and had better understandings of shades of meanings and thus they have less guessing than the KJV translators had to do.

One of the advangeges of the KJV over the NIV is that it was translated prior to the late 1800s, therefore before the modern evanglical movement, fundamentalism, and dispensationalism had not yet developed and thus these did not color the translators perpectives. (of course the translators of the KJV had their own prejudices that we have to suffer with.)

To find SDA's who judge non-sabbatarians, go to any internet forum you may choose where SDA's and non-sabbatarians interact and just follow the flow of discussion. Within at most a couple of days youll have your judging. But its good to know that this is not as widespread as the internet community makes it look.

The author of the page you posted would greately improve his cause if he practiced some humbleness. Trashing what he doesnt like will mostly draw the approval of those who already think alike. Some of the points made in the FAQ where interesting and maybe would make a very good case for those who stay there reading long enough to find it.

/Thomas

You are definitely right Thomas about both situations you pointed out. Online communitues are onlay a small fraction of what represents the real world, its good for interactivity, but sterile in the sense that you cannot pickup on peoples tones, and see them face to face. Its not as widespread at all.

I should have mentioned something about the author's "sensationalistic" writing style. I originally went their to read up on the reformed Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera (not sure about the last name spelled correctly), and read up on his life and experiences.
I hope you were able to sift through some of the topics and read on the translations abit. Interesting stuff thats for sure.
God Bless,
Will

A KJV 1611 sample. Some of these words elude me..

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Joh 3:16 For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

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Col 2:12 Buried with him in Baptisme, wherein also you are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you being dead in your sinnes, and the vncircumcision of your flesh, hath hee quickened together with him, hauing forgiuen you all trespasses,
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, that was against vs, which was contrary to vs, and tooke it out of the way, nayling it to his Crosse:
Col 2:15 And hauing spoyled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing ouer them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore iudge you in meat, or in drinke, or in respect of an Holy day, or of the New moone, or of the Sabbath dayes:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

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Luk 2:6 And so it was, that while they were there, the dayes were accomplished that she should be deliuered.
Luk 2:7 And she brought foorth her first borne sonne, and wrapped him in swadling clothes, and laid him in a manger, because there was no roome for them in the Inne.
Luk 2:8 And there were in the same countrey shepheards abiding in ye field, keeping watch ouer their flocke by night.
Luk 2:9 And loe, the Angel of the Lord came vpon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them, and they were sore afraid.

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Psa 13:1 [To the chiefe Musician. A Psalme of Dauid.] How long wilt thou forget mee (O Lord) for euer? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me?
Psa 13:2 How long shall I take counsel in my soule, hauing sorrow in my heart dayly? how long shall mine enemie be exalted ouer me?
Psa 13:3 Consider and heare me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleepe of death.
Psa 13:4 Least mine enimie say, I haue preuailed against him: and those that trouble mee, reioyce, when I am moued.
Psa 13:5 But I haue trusted in thy mercy, my heart shall reioyce in thy saluation.
Psa 13:6 I will sing vnto the Lord, because hee hath dealt bountifully with mee.

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KVJ, 1611

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Psa 13:1 [To the chiefe Musician. A Psalme of Dauid.] How long wilt thou forget mee (O Lord) for euer? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me?
Psa 13:2 How long shall I take counsel in my soule, hauing sorrow in my heart dayly? how long shall mine enemie be exalted ouer me?
Psa 13:3 Consider and heare me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleepe of death.
Psa 13:4 Least mine enimie say, I haue preuailed against him: and those that trouble mee, reioyce, when I am moued.
Psa 13:5 But I haue trusted in thy mercy, my heart shall reioyce in thy saluation.
Psa 13:6 I will sing vnto the Lord, because hee hath dealt bountifully with mee.

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Geneva bible, 1560/75

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Psa 13:1 To him that excelleth. A Psalme of Dauid. Howe long wilt thou forget me, O Lord, for euer? howe long wilt thou hide thy face from me?
Psa 13:2 How long shall I take counsell within my selfe, hauing wearinesse dayly in mine heart? how long shall mine enemie be exalted aboue me?
Psa 13:3 Beholde, and heare mee, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes, that I sleepe not in death:
Psa 13:4 Lest mine enemie say, I haue preuailed against him: and they that afflict me, reioyce when I slide.
Psa 13:5 But I trust in thy mercie: mine heart shall reioyce in thy saluation:
Psa 13:6 I will sing to the Lord, because he hath delt louingly with me.

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Bishops bible, 1568

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Psa 13:1 [To the chiefe musition, a Psalme of Dauid.] Howe long wylt thou forget me O God, for euer? howe long wilt thou hyde thy face from me?
Psa 13:2 Howe long shall I seke counsayle in my soule, and be so vexed in mine heart euery day? howe long shall myne enemie triumph ouer me?
Psa 13:3 Loke downe and heare me O God my Lorde: lighten myne eyes, lest that I sleepe in death.
Psa 13:4 Lest myne enemie say, I haue preuayled agaynst hym: lest they that trouble me reioyce yf I shoulde be remoued.
Psa 13:5 But I repose my trust in thy mercie, and my heart is ioyfull in thy saluation:
Psa 13:6 (13:5) I wyll syng to God, because he hath rewarded me.

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Well, Ill make the conclution from this that not even in those yonder days where there complete unity on how to translate scripture..

/Thomas

U's,V's,E's.. A whole extra 3 seconds to decipher it is all it took me to figure out, not hard to do when you can speak english.
God Bless,
Will

KJV

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Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

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Luke 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.

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A world of difference.
God Bless,
Will

hauing spoyled principalities and powers ?
swadling clothes ?
they were sore afraid ?
when I am moued ?
be so vexed ?

Looks like old English spelling to me that's quite different from today's spelling.