James, even though I don't agree with your ideas, I wanted to commend you on your post (not the last one, but the one right before it). I know English is a foreign language to you, but in spite of that I found your explanation to be very clear! It's a very good presentation of the viewpoint that you hold.

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1.Sin will kill us, and God is seeking to save us from it, because it is deadly.
2.God is warning us that if we sin, He will kill us.
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If sin kills, then when would Satan die, looking from the fact that he had lived in sin for thousands of years and I believe will continue to live unless God do something to stop him.

And if it is God that stops him, indeed God is involve, right?

In His love

James S

James, I agree. Jesus is the One who will defeat and destroy sin and unsaved sinners in the lake of fire - not sin. Jesus will be praised throughout eternity for being the One who eliminated sin and unsaved sinners in the lake of fire - not sin. We will sing His praises forever.

Exodus
15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
15:21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

Revelation
16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

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The reason Satan hasn't died yet is that God is not permitting him to suffer the inevitable results of sin, because if he did, then his death would have been misunderstood. It would have appeared that God was killing him, rather than his death being the inevitable results of sin. A seed of doubt as to God's character would have remained.

If all that was necessary to win the Great Controversy was for God to kill Satan, He could have done that long ago. This thing would have been over eons ago.
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I agree with this, if Satan was killed the day he rebel, God would be seen as a Tyrant and Dictator that rule with iron hand. The angles will worship him in fear not in love.

But God had shown his great love and mercy through Jesus death, so, the case would be different now. Angels and men would no longer see God as a Tyrant or Dictator that ruled with iron hand when he used death as a means to eradicate sin and sinners including Satan and his gang from his universe once and forever. They understand and know Him well now to accept His judgment.

Matthew 10:28.
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Deuteronomy 33:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

I understand your view point Tom, but I se that my view point is also not wrong and supported by the bible and M.M.

In His love

James S

I agree that it's supported by M.M. I'm not sure how much solace you should find in this, however.

I understand that God love us soo much that He is willing to die for us in order to save us.
But I understand too that God hate sin soo much that in order to wipe it out of His universe He is willing to burn sinners with Satan and his gang in everlasting fire, which only died when there is nothing more left to burn.

Sin causes our death, it is true, but sin is only the cause, it could not wipe out sinners, Satan and his gang for ever from the universe of God, an action which only God can do it.

So, sin causes death, God is the executioner.

In His love

James S.

The problem, James, is the burning sinners does not eliminate sin. If this were the case, God would have burned Satan and his followers immediately, and the problem would have been taken care of.

Remember that sin originated in an environment where there were no sinners. So simply get rid of sinners doesn't mean that sin won't arise.

It's very sad to me to think of God as an executioner. God is like Jesus Christ. When given the chance to act as executioner for one caught in the act of a sin punishable by death, Christ did not do so, but instead said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."

When given another chance, by the disciples who urged Him to execute the Samaritans who were rejecting Him, He explained to His disciples, "You know not of what spirit you are."

Satan is the destroyer. God's character is to save, to heal. As Jesus said, "The Son of Man came not to destroy man's lives, but to save them." And again, "For God did not send His Son to condemn the world, but that by Him the world might be saved."

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The problem, James, is the burning sinners does not eliminate sin. If this were the case, God would have burned Satan and his followers immediately, and the problem would have been taken care of.
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Hhm….. I think you had made a mistake in your view Tom.

If Satan and his followers are killed instantly the day they sinned, God would be worshipped with fear, he would be seen no more as a God of love but a selfish God who ruled with iron hand, a dictator, a tyrant.

When the time is right, God execute the death upon sinners, Satan and his gang without arising any doubt in his creatures for his judgment. They knew that he must do that to wipe out sin and sinners forever, to leave his universe to the righteous holly creatures with agape hearts. They would not question his action and judgment, for the time given to Satan and sin to develop it wickedness is more than enough and what risk it had taken. They understood now where the Great controversy would lead and how it would ends.

God would be appraised for his judgment in abolishing sin and sinners, Satan and his gang in everlasting fire.

In His love

James S.