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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/18/06 03:20 PM
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Yes, excellent post John to stimulate thought. I agree that our view of the spirit of man is an important ingredient in our overall perspective of what God is trying to do to save us and how He goes about it. Your point is well taken that God is spirit and that we are made in His image. That is a thought worth meditating on and exploring more.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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Also, your treatment of the 'dividing of soul and spirit' passage is interesting and deserves more study.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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1 Thessalonians 5:23.
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I always think that these three identities: spirit, soul and body are the Spirit of God and our living body as a living soul. When the Spirit is gone, the soul is dead and the body becomes dust.
How does this verse fits in your theory, John?
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/20/06 11:50 AM
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Quote:
1 Thessalonians 5:23.
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I do not know James S. how you read or which translation is your source. The scriptures you quoted are very plain and fully teaching what I wrote in my above post. Your interpretation has to really turn what is written to mean something else. If you 'always think', that is, have a preset way of thinking about this, it is not good.
Paul is saying that God should sanctify us whole; not in part but complete, then he goes on to say what complete is: our spirit, our soul, and our body, and he is also saying that each one of those aspects is to be sanctified completely. It is not God’s spirit that needs to be sanctified and preserved blameless, but our spirit that needs to be sanctified and preserved blameless.
As Tom quoted above, God works by his spirit upon our spirit (heart), and thereby begets in our soul a new life, a new being in the image of God.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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I re-read your post again John, and our thinking is close, very close to each other on this. Do you mind if we explore the difference between soul and spirit of man more? Towards the end of your post you had this to say: Quote:
The will and faith are two fundamental realizable aspects of spirit or heart. The soul on the other hand is that which we have become, not inclusive of the spirit. So then, do we begin to understand why it is necessary for the word of God to divide between the soul and the spirit, discerning the thoughts and intents of the heart? It is in the spirit where the new birth needs to occur and not in the soul. To endeavor to make the change in the soul is backwards; it is to endeavor to change the fruit, and not the root (the spirit). So much of religion is the works of the soul, rather than the work of the spirit. That is what Paul is trying to address in 1st Corinthians 13.
What do you think of this definition of soul: Soul is the body and spirit combined. So for Adventism, our view of man is basically what scripture refers to as soul. Where we have missed the scriptural definition of spirit is in confusing soul with spirit.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/28/06 01:01 AM
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And all of these discussions continue because we assume that the writers of the Bible were authorities on the nature of the Eternal Creator of the Universe. Such thinking may have been excusable five hundred years ago but not today. We should know better.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/28/06 05:12 AM
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What progress has been made on knowledge about the nautre of the Creator the last hundred years?
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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There's been a lot of progress on the character of the Creator. I think that's what's of concern. I doubt in eternity we will know a whole lot of more of the nature of God.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/28/06 11:55 AM
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Zero. Zilch. Nada. Theology is a dead "science." No new data; just a new rearrangement of the old.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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then who is a better authority on God than the bible authors?
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