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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/30/06 07:52 PM
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Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/30/06 08:20 PM
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Mark, do you think that the Spirit did not reveal that the earth orbits the Sun until Copernicus figured it out? Nothing has been hidden from man. Man has been the victim of his own limitations. When you think you have the truth then you will see nothing else.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/30/06 08:33 PM
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Some of the old greeks knew the earth orbits the sun, unfortunately the medievals voted for the wrong greek scientist...
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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06/30/06 09:18 PM
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Correct, Thomas. Ptolemy was well aware of Aristarchus' work. So the issue is not revelation but discovery. It always is. All we need has always been here.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/01/06 12:24 AM
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Darius, you said, 'When you think you have the truth you will see nothing else'. I hope we're all students and have some sense of how little we know in all fields - religion, science, philosophy. Wasn't it Moses who after conversing face to face with God for 40 years as a man talks with a friend begged God to grant him a few more years because He had only begun to show him His glory?
What are the implications of having a spirit? I think this concept increases in our minds of the worth of a soul. It makes our ideas of the individual more distict and noble. It challenges us to not cover ourselves with fig leaves when we approach God because as spiritual beings we know that God sees us as we are.
In Christ's day, one of His main works was to cast out demons. As we've seen, there is evidence that angels, good and bad have bodies of some sort. And yet legions of evil angels can possess the mind of a person. What treatment are all, or nearly all persons with mental disorders given today? Mind altering drugs. In contrast, rather than further clouding the individuals only link to reality, his mind, with mind altering drugs, Christ fixed the mental imbalance. The spirit of the person might be gaged and bound mentally but Christ set him free.
And if the truth were told, unless Christ delivers us, we all are in a similar state spiritually to that of the demoniacs.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/01/06 12:59 AM
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Mark, I am no more a spirit than my dog would be human. I could give all the virtures attached to my dog being a human and that would not make him human. God created spirit beings and humans. We are not spirit beings. All the speculative theories in the world won't change that. To insist that man is different from what God made him as is to deny the very essence of what God did. Bear that in mind.
Spirit beings can take on bodies. This does not mean they are body-bound.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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It's a characteristic of angels, good and bad, to appear to us in different forms. We know that much from the apostle's exhortation to practise hospitality, his reason being that we might be entertaining angels by entertaining strangers. But although angels can change their outward form and are not bound by time and space (they can travel much faster than the speed of light apparently) this is not to say that they are free to leave their bodies at will or that they have no body.
On the other hand, it does seem to me that God is able to summon the spirit of a man and likely the spirit of an angel, to appear before him or to instruct him, in the body or out of the body at will. But the normal state of man and it seems of other intelligences is that the spirit plus the body equals the soul.
So when the scripture says that God is the Lord of Hosts, it's saying He is Lord of the various hosts, free moral agents, the Lord of spirit-beings. This concept rings true to me because it emphasises on the one hand the glorious fellowship that we are capable of entering into with God, spirit with spirit, and on the other, it is also a solemn warning of the punishment that awaits those who grieve away the spirit of God from their spirits once and for all.
Animals lower than man are fascinating regarding their spirits. Dogs are so human in their emotions; they’re so much like us. They give their affections to humans almost without reserve. They even have a conscience of sorts. But they aren't accountable spirit beings and my guess is that’s why Solomon says their spirits go down to the earth while the spirit of man goes upward to an unconscious holding state to await the final judgment.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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What is the difference between being a spirit and being spiritual?
/Thomas
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/01/06 05:26 PM
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Mark, you are committing the most basic logic error of begging the question. You have decided that man is or has a spirit and are using this information to prove that man is or has a spirit. That way you will prove your case every time. With absolutely no foundation you assert that the Lord of the various hosts is another way of saying the Lord of spirit beings. That approach is lamentable.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/01/06 06:30 PM
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yhwh sebaot. The meaning of the phrase (284x, incl. 18x with elohe added to yhwh and 5x in place of it) is much debated. It is usually translated "LORD of hosts" (NRSV), and is associated with battle (1 Sam 4:4; Isa 31:4), with the hosts identified with human or divine (angelic) armies. For the former, see 1 Sam 17:45, "the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel" (NRSV; NIV "the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel"). In texts where God calls judgement upon Israel, often through the use of foreign armies, they remain God's hosts in the service of a divine objective (Isa 1:24-25). The divine armies position appeals to texts such as Judg 5:20 (cf. Isa 13:4) ; stars (also called "hosts" with other heavenly bodies) symbolize the heavenly hosts, the angels of Yahweh's court that do his bidding (1 Kgs 22:19; Job 38:7; Ps 103:19-21), in war or peace. The association of heavenly hosts, in the astrological sense, with idolatry (Deut 4:19) may have been a limiting factor on this understanding in certain periods.
But one need not choose between these positions. Because saba (army, warfare) in the human sphere has reference not only to armies (1 Sam 8:11-12) but to other workers in the service of God (Exod 38:8), indeed to Israel as a whole (12:41), it may be that each of the above could be in view in one or another context.
Hosts has reference to any group, human of divine, called upon by God to mediate a divine objective, which may or may not be military in nature. The fact that the phrase occurs 251x in the Prophets may reflect the prophet as a member of the divine council (Jer 23:18, 22), and the word of God thus becomes a divine instrument, often for purposes of judgment (23:29). Another approach would take "hosts" as a plural of intensification or majesty, particularly in view of the LXX translation of hosts as "Almighty". But such an abstraction lacks convincing evidence.
Quoted "Dictionary of old testament theology & exegesis, volume 4; pp 1297-1298"
LXX=the septaguint
/Thomas
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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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