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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78246
08/20/06 04:07 PM
08/20/06 04:07 PM
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Without relying on the SOP, I can only narrow down the end of the 2300 days to between 1798 and 1844. Any ideas?

Also, do you have any references that explain what happened at the end of the 7 weeks?


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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78247
08/20/06 06:56 PM
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Sorry for the delay.

The scattering times from Lev 26, 2 Chor 33:9,10 Isa 7:8 and other text that establish the scattering time of 2500-years began in 677 BC and ended in 1843/44
The 2300-years also ended in 1843/44.

What is the time difference between the 2520 and 2300-years? 220 years correct?

Subtract 220 from 657 and what do you have? You will see the beginning date of the 2300-year time prophecy.

Understand that there are a series of text, which lay out the 2520 scattering time prophecy. I just listed a couple.

There is not really much to this prophecy as far as events are concerned.

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David


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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78248
08/20/06 08:32 PM
08/20/06 08:32 PM
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Quote "I haven't yet found anything that a non-Adventist would accept to pinpoint the end of the 2300 days to 1844.” end quote

Asygo,

I would have to disagree with you on this comment. And here is the reason;
I have taught this and other time prophecies to many non-Seventh-day Adventist, A Tennessee Temple religion student who accepted it as scriptural fact along with the Sabbath even in the face of his teachers at the university. Also, Church of God, Non-Christians and even to a “Pentecostal couple just a about three weeks ago along with the Sabbath truth.
I am even currently teaching Seventh day Adventist who have not heard this message in so many years that they have lost their understanding of it.

From my experience with teaching this scriptural time line (2300) and its starting date of 457 BC, I have never had a problem and I do not see how anyone who believes them to be true would ever have any trouble with teaching them. Again, I would suggest take a look at how the founders taught it and what they wrote and forget what is being printed today for there are many things that are not correct in the new writings.

Also;

Quote “But I don't see how it really matters to us today. Rather than wrestling over the 50-year uncertainty,”


If one does not believe nor understand these prophecies, 2520, 2450 and the 2300 day / year prophecies and what is in them then how does one know where they stand in the events that are talking place around them. Also, I should add that in the 2300-day prophecy, which IN FACT began in 457 BC you will find not only the beginning of Christ’s ministry but his death as well and the rejection of Christ by the Jewish leaders and people but also the stoning of Stephen. One will find as well that pagan / catholic church and her role in history.
When one also adds into these prophecies the Book of Revelation, one will find the history of the churches, which fit hand in hand with the 2300-day prophecy. You will also see the rise and fall of nations, and the rise of that abomination the catholic church. Without these prophecies and our scriptural and historical proof of these prophecies one will never know where they stand in Bible prophecy nor could they teach them correctly. Just look it the books “the left behind” trash and how people are taking them as scriptural facts. Look at how they are being led down the road to eternal death from such false teachings!


Moreover,
Quote “I prefer to focus on the certainty of judgment and righteousness." end quote

The Seventh day Adventist message is in part the time prophecies as well as “Christ and HIS Righteousness. If we can show where we stand in the time prophecies and that Christ Himself also warned us to know the signs of the times or we will be taken unawares. We can also show the need to know the Son of God as not only our personal saviour but as our brother as well.

The earth is soon to be destroyed and all the wicked. How would one know just how close they truly are to the end of time without the time prophecies? Who would believe just how close we are to the end without a Biblical and Historical understanding of the time prophecies?

As far as the date being off by some years, these are things that take our eyes and time and energy from teaching the truth and warning people of what is about to happen, they are side issues. Also, some would have us believe we can put the “70-week” at the end of the 2300 day prophecy one should understand that that is a Jesuit teaching from around the 1600’s it is called futurism.

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David


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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78249
08/20/06 09:21 PM
08/20/06 09:21 PM
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Quote:

The 2520 is the oldest time line in the Bible.
The founders taught the 2520 time line and it is on the old charts.

It can establish the beginning date of the 2300-day prophecy.

While there is not much to this time line when compared to the 2300-day it is interesting in and of its self. It ends also in 1843/44 along with the 2450 and the 2300-prophecies.

Do you have either the 1843/44 chart of Miller or the1850 chart by Bro. James White?

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David



What is the Bible text on this 2520 prophecy?


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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78250
08/20/06 10:01 PM
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It begins with Lev 26, then 2 Chor 33:9,10, Isa 7:8, Deut 7:6, Dan 12:7, Jer 5:1, Jer 15:1-4, Eze 39:8, Eze 21:7
Christian Education by Dr. Southerland pp 120-122
Spalding & Magan pp 1
The 1858 Great Controversy pp 148
Life Incidents by Brother James White pp 307

The 2520 began in 677 BC 2520-607 = 1843

Isa 7:8 gave the prophecy and this date was 742. 65 years later = 677 BC Ephraim was broken and this is the term the ten tribes of Israel, not Judah and Levi were not among them.

The 2450 began in 607 BC
The 2300 began in 457 BC
The 2520 – 2300 is difference of 220 years. The 2520 began in 677 now subtract the difference from the 2 dates 2520-220 and you have the beginning date for the 2300 time prophecy.

All ended in 1843/44
The old charts have them.

This is very short and leaves much to be desired, however it is a beginning to those who wish to study it out. It is also something that is no longer taught in the church, however it was at one time taught along with the 2300 day prophecy. There is more happening in the 2300 day prophecy than the other two and so it is more exciting to teach.

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David


The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78251
08/20/06 11:14 PM
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Do any of these texts specifically speak of this 2520 prophecy in specific reference to 2520?


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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78252
08/20/06 11:27 PM
08/20/06 11:27 PM
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No not like the 2300 does.

What Miller and Brother White and others did, they did some simple math using Lev 26 along with the rest of the text (there might be 1 or 2 others that I may have forgotten)for their understanding of the 2520 time prophecy.

I wish that everyone had a copy of the old charts.

Peace and Grace
David


The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78253
08/21/06 12:35 AM
08/21/06 12:35 AM
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The following link may be of interest to us in relation to this 2520 prophecy:

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/time.htm

It is interesting that this information is in a Baha'i Faith related site.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78254
08/21/06 12:42 AM
08/21/06 12:42 AM
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This is interesting thank you. It seems that a non Seventh day Adventist is aware of the teachings. However, there is more to it than what is written there.
AN dmore to what I have given as well.

Keep searching.

Peace and Grace

daivd


The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
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Re: Lesson Study #8 - 1844 Made SIMPLE #78255
08/21/06 01:00 AM
08/21/06 01:00 AM
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But was this ever an SDA teaching or rather simply a William Miller teaching that was rejected by the SDA Church?

I also find it interesting that EGW has never referenced this in any of her writings.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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