|
Forums118
Topics9,199
Posts195,601
Members1,323
| |
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
|
|
|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
|
|
|
6 registered members (Karen Y, dedication, ProdigalOne, Kevin H, Daryl, 1 invisible),
2,952
guests, and 19
spiders. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78790
08/31/06 10:59 PM
08/31/06 10:59 PM
|
SDA
Active Member 2014
Retired Pastor
3000+ Member
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,014
Iceland
|
|
Quote:
I found the following to be an ernestly written statement by the author of this quarterly:
Quote:
Indeed, the 1844 pre-Advent judgment is a crucial doctrine of the Adventist Church; not only does it explain the disappointment of 1844, it helps us understand who we are today and why we exist as a movement. With so much at stake, our enemy is constantly at work to undermine us, and if he can undo our belief in 1844, he will greatly succeed. Thus, it is important that we as Adventists be firmly rooted in this teaching, as well as be prepared to answer challenges against it.
This week's study presents a challenge within it.
Others, like Desmond Ford, also presents a challenge.
We also do need to be prepared to answer all the challenges against it.
Some of the Bibles I haave seen have Antiochus Epiophanes written in a note between the verses in Daniel. It seems to me that disproving that Antiochus fulfills the prophecy is an important factor in this lesson. This will also show how clear our understanding of prophecy is, and how important it is in the understanding of the Advent Message.
As a review of last week's lesson I'd refer to what EGW states in the Great Controversy how the disappearance of the Ottoman Empire became a key to understtanding the 1844 prediction. .
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
|
 Reply
 Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78791
09/01/06 12:52 AM
09/01/06 12:52 AM
|
|
|
In line with this, Thursday's study states the following: Quote:
History bears testimony to the amazing accuracy of this prophecy. The he-goat, of course, was ancient Greece, and after the death of Alexander the Great, the empire split apart, for a time, into "four kingdoms" (Dan. 8:22) under four generals. One of the kingdoms was the Seleucid, which lasted from about 301 B.C. until about 146 B.C. Among these kings, one was named Antiochus Epiphanes. He was the eighth Seleucid king (175-164 B.C.); twenty more followed after him. Through the conquests of his predecessors, he, for a short while attained control of Judea, defiled the temple in Jerusalem for about three years, and persecuted the Jews. He died, apparently from natural causes, in a later campaign (164 B.C.) after being driven out of Jerusalem. He is the one who most interpreters believe is the little horn.
I thought this was a newer interpretation of the RCs in response to them being referred to as the little horn?
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78792
09/01/06 12:48 PM
09/01/06 12:48 PM
|
Full Member
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 149
USA
|
|
In 304 AD Porphyry wrote, “Antiochus was the little horn. While in 258 AD Cyprian wrote that Antiochus was a “type” of Anti-christ. Again Cyril 386 AD Polychremius 430 AD all held that “Antiochus” was the “little horn”.
While it was not until Joachim of Floria in 1202 AD that we find someone who states that the “little horn” is the anti-Christ and not Antiochus”. And not until 1246 AD do we find the “little horn” called the “papacy” by Eberhard II of Salzburg. From there the “little horn” has been almost always referred to as the “papacy” by just about all the true Pro-test-ants until modern times. When the pagan / roman / catholic church and her Jesuits brought this old teachings that the “little horn” is “Antiochus” back to light and guess what, much of the once pro-test-ant world follows their mother.
I liked what was written next in the study.
According to Daniel 8:17, 19, 26, the prophecy dealt with endtime things, and the little horn was the last power presented in the vision. Because he died in 164 B.C., why can Antiochus not be the
little horn?
3. According to Daniel 8:25, the little horn would be “broken without hand,” a phrase we saw earlier that—through parallelism with Daniel 2:34, 45—depicted a supernatural, cataclysmic destruction. Why, given what’s written above about his demise, does Antiochus not fit again?
Despite the evidence (and there’s more) against Antiochus, Adventists are almost alone in the Christian world in our position opposed to that interpretation. What does this tell us about our need to stand firm in our beliefs, despite a majority of voices against our position? In what other ways do you have to stand firm for a position that is not popular?
Peace and Grace
David
The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78793
09/01/06 01:13 PM
09/01/06 01:13 PM
|
|
|
The Teacher's Section of the quarterly has interesting information in it against Antiochus Epiphanes being the little horn, which is broken down into four points. Here is point #1: Quote:
Antiochus did come out of the Seleucid division of Alexander's empire. He ruled over Syria from 175-163 B.C. But such a short reign cannot come anywhere near the description of the little horn whose power and influence extend to the end of time (Daniel 8:17,19).
I will add the next point in a separate post after allowing us some time to digest and comment on this one.
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78794
09/01/06 09:06 PM
09/01/06 09:06 PM
|
|
|
No comments from anybody yet? Anyway, here is point #2: Quote:
In 168 BC, Antiochus invaded Palestine, massacred thousands of Jews, and attempted to change their culture and religion by desecrating the Jesusalem temple with sacrifices of unclean animals. This resulted in the Maccabean revolt and the rededication of the temple in 164 BC. The temple itself never was fully destroyed, and the sanctuary system was not abolished for 2,300 years (Daniel 8:14). So, Antiochus cannot be the little horn.
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78796
09/02/06 12:39 AM
09/02/06 12:39 AM
|
Full Member
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 275
Bahamas
|
|
I did this comparision sheet for the Sabbath lesson tomorrow. http://www.happysabbath.org/Little_Horn_Antichrist.doc~Ren
May God grant you the courage to be a part of that remnant church which has the faith of Jesus, the testimony of Jesus, and keeps all of His commandments.
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78799
09/02/06 01:07 AM
09/02/06 01:07 AM
|
Charter Member
Active Member 2012
Dedicated Member
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,157
Jakarta, Indonesia
|
|
For me, the most correct identification of the litle horn is the fulfilment Dan. 7:25 prophecy.
He shall speak great words against the most High ................. and think to change times and laws ......
It was fulfilled by the RC Papacy doctrines and dogmas from early time till now and a wholly change of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath to Sunday.
Doctrines and dogmas that speak great words against the most High: prayer to the death, veneration of angels and death saints, the worship of Mary as Mother of God, Immaculate conception of Virgin Mary, Purgatory, Transubstantiation of the wafer, Confession to a priest and many others.
Antiochus Ephiphanes could not be this little horn, for he has nothing to say that was against the most High.
In His love
James S
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78803
09/19/06 08:37 PM
09/19/06 08:37 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS
#78804
09/24/06 07:22 PM
09/24/06 07:22 PM
|
Active Member 2012
Very Dedicated Member
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,826
E. Oregon, USA
|
|
Quote:
The other links are working again. 
Yes, but the GC link is good for having the teacher's comments, which ssnet.org also links to, of course. 
|
|
Reply
Quote
|
|
|
|
|
