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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79174
09/15/06 02:50 PM
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Then comes Thursday's study which talks about a purified heaven, or a purified cleaning of the heavenly sanctuary.

I find the following quote from a non-SDA source in Thursday's study most interesting:

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These texts have baffled non-Adventist scholars because of the clear reference to the idea that the heavenly sanctuary itself needed to be cleansed. "One might conclude that the earthly sanctuary was cleansed because its heavenly counterpart also was to be cleansed." —Craig Koester, Hebrews, Anchor Bible Series (New York: Doubleday, 2001), p. 427.




In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79175
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Why all this effort of teaching us about the Judgment, because without Daniel 7 and 9 about the judgment, we still have a lot verses about judgment scattered in the bible, and anybody knows that there is a judgment of God to anyone who ever live.
What is so important about the 2300 days that refers to 1844? What benefits we get by knowing that the judgment begin at 1844? We know that God would judge us, what difference it makes by knowing the year of it beginning and knowing not?

What is so important of this lessons that the author try to propose and the benefits for us?

What connection is the author of this lesson tries to propose between the little horn, the sanctuary in heaven and the judgment? There is indeed a connection between the little horn and the sanctuary service in heaven but what connection is there between the little horn with the judgment?

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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79176
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Thursday question:
Why is Christ's righteousness covering you, by faith, your only assurance that, indeed, in the Day of Judgment you will be sealed in the book of life forever.
Unquote.

Because Christ righteousness is perfect without blemish, and he is working to impart his righteousness into our hearts, who have faith in him and live by the Spirit, and when his righteousness, which is the righteousness of the law fulfilled in our hearts and the law and the prophets witnessed our love towards our fellowmen, God would justify us for our faith and his grace saved us from condemnation of the law.

Therefore, we are saved by grace, through faith, and not of works, because even thought the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in our hearts and the law and the prophets witnessed our love towards our fellowmen, but before the law we are always sinners condemned to die, it could not justify us for the righteousness we have, as once in our life we have sinned.

Only the grace of God that forgives our sins, might justify our righteousness, imparted by Christ through his Spirit to those who put their faith in him and live by the Spirit. We are then fit for heaven and eternal life, because we have love of Christ in our hearts, his righteousness which is the righteousness of the law, fulfilled in us. (Romans 8:4)

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James S

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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79177
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Yes, we are saved by grace, through faith, and not by our works, as it says in Ephesians 2:8,9.

But, what are we judged by?

The answer is in Wednesday's study, quoted below:

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If, when Christ returns, "my reward is with me, to give every man as his work shall be" (Rev. 22:12) and we all are to be judged by our works (Eccles. 12:13, 14; 1 Cor. 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:17; Rev. 20:12), then it's fairly obvious that there must be a judgment prior to the Second Coming. Or, as Adventists phrase it—a pre-Advent, or investigative, judgment. (After all, what kind of judgment prior to a sentence doesn't entail an investigation of some kind?)



What we profess will be judged by our works, which will be completed prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79178
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Can anyone tell me if the pre-advent judgement and the investigative judgement are the same thing? If not, would someone tell me the difference. Thanks

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Re: Lesson Study #12 - The Pre-Advent JUDGMENT #79179
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It is my understanding that they are one and the same thing.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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