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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY
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09/29/06 04:34 PM
09/29/06 04:34 PM
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Monday's study is on the fact that God is vindicated by The Judgment that is open to the scrutiny of the whole creation, who in turn "will see the justice and righteousness of God in all His dealing with sin, evil, and rebellion." Tuesday's study, of course, is on the Second Coming itself, which will take place after the Pre-Advent Judgment phase is complete, as stated in the quote below: Quote:
The 1844 pre-Advent judgment is, we believe, that last prophetic time element given to the world. It's God's way of telling us that final events are here, and His coming will be soon. As we saw in an earlier study, all the kingdoms predicted by Daniel came and went, just as predicted. He proved that we can trust Him regarding future events; thus, we can trust Him now that this pre-Advent judgment will, indeed, lead to the Second Coming, and because we know when this judgment began, we can know that the Second Coming is near.
Wednesday's study is on the assurance of salvation.
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It's the promise that as long as we remain faithful to the Lord—living in humble faith, repentance, and obedience to Him and His commands—we have a faithful High Priest ministering in our behalf, a faithful High Priest who, indeed, stands as our Substitute in judgment.
From the above quote it seems that this assurance of salvation is conditional to our continuing faithfulness, continuing repentance, and continuing obedience to Him and His commands, which means we can lose, not only the assurance of salvation, but salvation itself, if we do not meet these conditions, which also means that once saved, not always saved.
Is that how you all see it here?
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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY
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09/29/06 08:19 PM
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I would say that that question cannot be answered since it is the wrong question, especially as Wednesday's section correctly makes clear that our faithfulness to Jesus is the condition he perfects in us for him to complete our salvation.
I can know that I am being saved, since I consciously have given and continue to give my heart to Jesus each day, and thank him for his heart - his mind - in exchange. Since he died my death to sin on Calvary, and I know about that death by faith but was also in him when he suffered it, I was saved from the condemnation of the law by him and now I'm being saved from the power of sin by and through him. Salvation is never about the state of being saved alone, but both that (as regards the cross event) and the experience and action of being saved.
The assurance is both that Jesus lived, died and rose again as the world's Redeemer and that Jesus is my personal, living Redeemer and Example (in that order) today.
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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY
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09/29/06 08:43 PM
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From Thursday lesson.
As certain as the Bible is that we are saved by faith and not by works (Rom. 3:28), it's just as certain that we are judged by our works (Eccles. 3:17, 12:14, 2 Cor. 5:10, 1 Pet. 1:17).
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A big error is presented here, we are not saved by faith, but we are justified by faith, judge by works and saved by the grace of God.
How can the author made such a big error?
In His love
James S
Cliff (lesson author) doesn't think justified by faith makes us doers of righteousness - he thinks we are merely pardoned, but not renewed, so works of faith in the practise of justification isn't in his thinking - rebirth and works are all in sanctification for him, so cannot be part of salvation for us, since he likely believes that we are saved by justification alone - sanctification is useful but not part of the gospel fulfilled in us as we experience salvation. He didn't say it like that, but he appears to think it, and I've just explained why he would think it from what he has said.
The works of faith in our sanctification (ie. practice of justification - use of the mind of Christ) are of those who are justified and reborn of his Spirit by faith, and are perfected by Jesus' judgement; so while Jesus is always our substitute he also makes us like him so that we, while we live in this sinful world, shall be made forever fit for living with him in his Father's presence above...and on the new earth.
Cliff has still to accept that justification and sanctification are but the new creation we become by faith with his Spirit, and the new life we live by his Spirit, respectively: living and doing righteously, till Christ finishes making us Christlike and therewith concludes the investigative judgement - a moment even only the Father knows about in advance but decides with his Son has happened.
James, you've pointed out the real problem with this quarter's lesson, and pointed toward the real solution in how we understand our salvation: thank you.
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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY
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09/29/06 09:44 PM
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In relation to Wednesday's study, if someone were to ask you, how do you know you are saved, what would you say, and why?
I would ask, "What do you mean by saved?"
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY
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09/29/06 09:46 PM
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A big error is presented here, we are not saved by faith, but we are justified by faith, judge by works and saved by the grace of God.
How can the author made such a big error?
Maybe he had this in mind:
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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