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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
[Re: Daryl]
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10/22/06 04:34 PM
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This lesson is one of the key issues in understanding salvation.
The evolutionist's theories -- including the theistic evolution theory which is gaining ever more acceptance by Christians, even within Adventism, which believes God created through guided evolutionary processes, totally destroys the concept of the origin of sin.
In theistic evolution there was no paradise lost, just God gradually shaping the world through evolving principles till finally a creature reached the point where God placed within him a soul and mankind made a transition from being a mere "animal" to be human.
All this of course does away with the concept of "satan" and the "fall" and even "sin", and simply shows mankind being evolved more and more into the "superhuman" level.
In this theory there is no such thing as "sin" only a lack of fuller development.
It does away with the need for the cross to save us from sin, and talks of the cross as only an "influence" to catapult mankind to a higher level of evolution.
I'm glad these lessons are being presented. We need the clear, simple truth re-affirmed over and over. For without the foundation of a perfect creation, by our POWERFUL GOD Who speaks and it is done. Without the true realization of the fall and the origin of sin, the whole gospel falls into falsehoods.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
[Re: Daryl]
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10/22/06 08:42 PM
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The Memory Text is a key text to this week's study: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel" (Genesis 3:15).
From Sunday's study, in Genesis 3 a new element comes into the picture, that new element being a seemingly talking serpent, which we know was really the devil seemingly speaking through the serpent. How do you suppose the devil accomplished this speaking through a serpent?
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/23/06 03:42 AM
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"The serpent was then one of the wisest and most beautiful creatures on the earth. It had wings, and while flying through the air presented an appearance of dazzling brightness, having the color and brilliancy of burnished gold. Resting in the rich-laden branches of the forbidden tree and regaling itself with the delicious fruit, it was an object to arrest the attention and delight the eye of the beholder. Thus in the garden of peace lurked the destroyer, watching for his prey." {PP 53.4}
It's not hard feat for an angel to speak through another. You may recall that an angel spoke through a donkey to Balaam as well.
Anyone who has heard of channellors knows that these people allow their voice box to be used by demons. Their voices change, and someone else speaks through them.
We have accounts in the Bible of demons speaking through people. You will notice -- even though the people didn't know who Jesus was, these demons knew exactly who He was -- Mark 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
But back to Eve --
"The fruit was very beautiful, and Eve questioned with herself why God had withheld it from them. Now was the tempter's opportunity. As if he were able to discern the workings of her mind, he addressed her: "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Eve was surprised and startled as she thus seemed to hear the echo of her thoughts. But the serpent continued, in a musical voice, with subtle praise of her surpassing loveliness; and his words were not displeasing. Instead of fleeing from the spot she lingered wonderingly to hear a serpent speak. Had she been addressed by a being like the angels, her fears would have been excited; but she had no thought that the fascinating serpent could become the medium of the fallen foe. {PP 53.5}
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/23/06 04:26 AM
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Referring to the post on theistic evolution -- With what dedication posted in mind, the whole Bible would become a falsehood. Yes, that's true, I agree -- so how is it that so many Christians, including Adventists, are accepting theistic evolution and thinking they have found the perfect answer to combine the Bible and science? I wish this were just some wayout problem -- but it isn't, it is a very present problem even in our own schools where we send our young people This next part was written by someone the critics herald as the "rejected gospel reformer" to the Adventist church -- Des Ford. In fact it's on a website entitled "Adventist Reform" But notice what HE TEACHES about creation! And i hear this kind of stuff too often. How can someone be called a great "gospel preacher" and yet not believe in the literal creation -- with it's fall -- account? "TIME TO FACE THE FACTS
When Adventist scientists were polled in 1994, more than half rejected the literal reading of Genesis 1. One third denied that the geological strata and its fossils can be explained by Noah's Flood; and almost one in five assented to theistic evolution. See Darwinism comes to America, Ronald Numbers, Harvard University Press, p. 109.
Probably most Adventist scientists versed in geology, can be classified as progressive creationists, believing in God's creative interventions over long eras of time. But it is certain that most well-read Adventists have moved well beyond George McCready Price. When William Jennings Bryant cited Price as a respected scientist at the famous Tenessee Scopes trial, Darrow responded: "You mention Price because he is the only human being in the world so far as you know who signs his name as a geologist who believes like you do. Every scientist in this country knows that he is a mountebank, a pretender, and not a geologist at all."
There are two main barriers, which have led to the church's unpaid debt to science and its own scientists. On the part of leadership, it is the fear of confessing that we have been wrong. The smaller the group, the greater the felt necessity of infallibility. Second, like all other people we are shackled by cognitive dissonance. That is to say, we all carry a sieve to separate from our minds all that we hear or read that doesn't fit with our preconceptions. The human mind typically functions in terms of comfortable grooves of thought. But real truth shocks this tendency. It is a realistic immoveable rock upon which our comfortable theories are often shattered. Much of reality to all of us is a vast unknown.
Are we then to ignore Genesis 1:26, 27 about the creation of our first parents and adopt the theory of natural selection? Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist of Harvard, recently deceased, said that Darwinism was dead. Many other scientists have agreed. But Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium, his substitute for natural selection, has also been punctured. It has not worn well. Ellen White wrote long ago that "God's created works are just as mysterious as God himself." That wise and good woman also told us that the Bible was given for practical purposes and that, like Jesus, it is a combination of the human and the divine. If we take her seriously we will also recognize that her writings are not meant to set forth science, though they may help us to cease unnecessary warring against genuine truth discovered by scientific research.
Nothing like praising the Bible and EGW, while subtle inserting the deflating pin into them to remove them as any authoritive source concerning our origins. I agree theistic evolution destroys the message of the whole Bible -- so how can so many Christians embrace it as the wonderful solution to unite science and the Bible?
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/23/06 08:05 AM
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Daryl, you're asking how Satan was able to speak through a serpent? If so, we know from the SOP that the serpent was originally a bird, if I remember correctly. Some birds, such as parrots and others, are able to mimic human sounds, so I suppose the bird Satan took possession of was able to do the same thing. This is just speculation, of course, but considering all that Satan is capable of doing, this doesn't seem that it would be nearly as difficult as many other things he's done.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/23/06 04:03 PM
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One of the best debates I've known about and actually heard live recently is published on DVD by http://www.creationresearch.net of Australia, entitled: Is evolution compatible with the Christian faith? A creationist and Christian geologist against an Anglican Canon (a senior theologian), at Liverpool Cathedral, last year some time. I've emailed the editor of our Geoscience Research Institute journal, Origins, in Loma Linda, and she confirmed that all geologists there are young earth creationists. It appears indeed that the geologists in our school science classes are not as unanimous. My pastor has informed me - after the last Faith-Science conference (early 05) - that it is theologians in our midst who are more inclined to theistic evolution....Who's not doing enough homework??!
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