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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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I could be wrong, however, it seems to me that the author in Sunday's study is saying that the devil appeared in the form of one of God's perfectly created animals, namely the serpent. Possibly, one of spiritualism tactics is for the fallen angels to appear in the form of someone other then themselves. -- a deceased loved one, mary, or other apparitions, and finally satan will personate Christ himself! -- so it is possible. I often wonder why was the snake cursed -- it didn't seem to be its fault it was used. Then I thought maybe it's for our benefit -- to help us understand some things. The serpent was not a bird, but a flying reptile, of dazzling colors and brilliance. EGW says it was one of the most beautiful creatures. From geological sources it appears there were still flying reptiles for some time prior to the flood. (Which evolutionists sieze upon in their attempts to prove their theory). But then they disappeared from real life and remained only in legends, as memory of their existance faded. I think God used the serpent as an object lesson to help people understand the reality of Satan. A once proud, dazzling and beautiful creature, the highest of the angels, yet who got involved in sin and was cast down -- down -- . The enmity most people have towards snakes is sometimes hard to understand for they are still beautifully decorated with color and patterns, but the way they slither over the ground gives people the creepy crawlies. And isn't that just like satan who now slithers about seeking to hypnotize and devour? -- or wrap us up in the coils of sin till all spiritual life is squeezed out of us, -- or bite us with his poisons of philosophy and worldly reasoning and deceitfulness of sin to kill the seeds of truth and render us spiritaully dead. The enmity one feels toward snakes should be many times greater against the one they symbolize.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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The appearance of the deceiving serpent implies a whole other scenario not revealed in the first two chapters of Genesis. (It does hint at it though. Where?) What "other scenario" is this talking about? I don't get it.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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The enmity that exists in the heart against evil has no natural existence, but is an enmity that has been created through the agency of the Holy Spirit. ... The natural man is in transgression, and his nature is in harmony with that of the first transgressor. There is no natural enmity between fallen men and fallen angels; both are partakers of the same spirit through indulgence in evil. {ST, June 11, 1894 par. 4} What does this tell us of the extent of the damage to humanity? Does this give us any insights about what we need to be reconciled to God?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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Monday's study is a warning to us about deception today. Satan started out by mixing truth and error; once the bait was taken, he resorted to full-fledged error, blatantly contradicting God's explicit command. How often things work like that even today. Someone starts out with a doctrine, a teaching, that contains both truth and error but, later, when taken to its logical conclusion, it winds up as pure error. How crucial that we always be on our guard!
We see the same thing happening today; truth being mixed with error, and unfortunately accepted as truth.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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The appearance of the deceiving serpent implies a whole other scenario not revealed in the first two chapters of Genesis. (It does hint at it though. Where?) What "other scenario" is this talking about? I don't get it. Here is the whole paragraph of the above quote from Sunday's study: What this shows is how important it is for us to use the whole Bible in order to understand truth. The appearance of the deceiving serpent implies a whole other scenario not revealed in the first two chapters of Genesis. (It does hint at it though. Where?) To understand better what was going on, people needed more revelation. In time, God provided it.
I think it is saying that later on in the Bible, we learn more about the deceitful works of the devil. One such text from Sunday's study is: 2 Corinthians 11:3 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The other texts there will also give further insight to the insidious deceptive works of the devil.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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We see the same thing happening today; truth being mixed with error, and unfortunately accepted as truth. We should also note that the truth/error mixture is not confined to "new" ideas. It is possible that the things we have been taught for [FILL IN THE BLANK] years was a mixture of truth and error.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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Still about the serpent:
"Satan, in the form of a serpent, conversed with Eve. The serpent had not the power of speech, but Satan used him as a medium. It was Satan that spoke, not the serpent. Eve was deceived, and thought it was the serpent. This serpent was a very beautiful creature with wings; and while flying through the air his appearance was very bright, resembling the color of burnished gold. He did not go upon the ground, but went from place to place through the air, and ate fruit like man." {3SG 39.2}
"He approached Eve, not in the form of an angel, but as a serpent, subtle, cunning, and deceitful. With a voice that appeared to proceed from the serpent, he spoke to her, and his conversation was like the words which today wise and wicked angels speak thru various agencies. As Eve listened, the warnings that God had given faded from her mind. She yielded to the temptation, and as she tempted Adam he also forgot God's warnings. He believed the words of the enemy of God." {ST, May 29, 1901 par. 2}
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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"as she tempted Adam he also forgot God's warnings. He believed the words of the enemy of God." {ST, May 29, 1901 par. 2} I find her use of "forgot" interesting. Here's a more familiar narrative: "He resolved to share her fate; if she must die, he would die with her. After all, he reasoned, might not the words of the wise serpent be true? Eve was before him, as beautiful and apparently as innocent as before this act of disobedience. She expressed greater love for him than before. No sign of death appeared in her, and he decided to brave the consequences. He seized the fruit and quickly ate." {PP 56.2} It seems that she used "forgot" in an unusual way.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/26/06 08:52 PM
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From Tuesday's study comes this interesting quote: In the fulfillment of the serpent's promise, the eyes of Adam and Eve were opened, but their dream of enlightenment turned into a nightmare. This, the first of countless subsequent satanic schemes, demonstrates that the devil's promises of precious gold are delivered only in the form of tinsel. Deprived of the glory of holiness, burdened by the sense of guilt, their physical nakedness revealed in a consciousness of inner nakedness, the first pair sought to hide from God and to fashion their own covering.
What were the consequences of their disobedience, the immediate results of the Fall?Tuesday's study, in this reformatted quote, answers this question. Look at the immediate results of the Fall.
First, alienation arose between Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:7);
then between them and God (vs. 8);
nature itself suddenly turned more hostile (vss. 16-18);
the relationship between Adam and Eve changed even more so (vs. 16);
there was the reality of death (vs. 19);
there was a change in how humanity related to toil (vs. 19);
and Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden (vss. 23, 24).
If only they could have seen in advance the consequences of their actions!
If it were not for Genesis 3:15 then all would be hopeless for the human race.
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