What is the timing of the Fall of Lucifer?

From my reading of Ezekiel 28:11 to 19 I came to wonder about the timing of the Fall of Lucifer in relation to the creation of this world and the Garden of Eden.

I am focusing on Ezekiel 28:13 which says:



The SDA Bible Commentary states the following:



I had always thought that Lucifer had fallen prior to the creation of this world.

With the above verse and SDA Commentary quotes in mind, I now have some more reading to do.

Do any of you reading this have any thoughts on this to share here?

From my reading so far from the SOP references provided, I am having a hard time accepting what the SDA Bible Commentary has said about the Fall of Lucifer taking place after the creation of both this world and the Garden of Eden, unless Ezekiel 28:13 in regards to the garden of eden is specifically referring to the Garden of Eden that was created on this Earth.

"The creation of our earth, the placement of our first parents in Eden, occurred subsequent to his fall."

The SDABC is verifying that Lucifer's fall occurred before our first parents were created and placed in Eden.

Upon what is the SDABC basing that statement?

The best interpreter of Scripture is the Holy Spirit. The secound best is the bible itself. Have you consulted those?

And then there is also the inspired writings of EGW.

If you read my earlier posts, your question would have been answered before even posing it, as I have looked at the text in question, the comments to it made by the SDACC, and the writings of EGW in relation to that text, however, I am having a problem with that particular comment made in the SDACC, which is why I asking others thoughts on this.

As far as the Holy Spirit goes, I like to think that the Holy Spirit impresses all of us, which is another reason why I asked for others thoughts on this.

This is saying that "Eden" is not dealing with the Garden of Eden, but in a more general sense with the dwelling place of God. The SDABC is arguing against the idea that Lucifer did not fall until after Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden. They just weren't very clear in expressing their thought. Here's what they are saying, in my own words:

"Eden is dealing with the dwelling place of God as a general term. It's not specifically dealing with the Garden of Eden. The text is not saying that Lucifer didn't fall until after man's fall in the garden of Eden, which we know can't be the case because of (this, that, and the other thing)."

They (SDABC) give as example of "Eden" being used to refer to the dwelling place of God, PP 35, which says:



Here we see EGW applying "Eden" to Lucifer at a time when Lucifer was in heaven.

Does that make sense?

Who Ive come to understand once said that her writings should only be consulted on theological questions after an exhaustive biblestudy...Well, I did read about all of those and they are exactly why I wrote what I wrote. Reading Ezekiel isnt exactly an exhaustive bibestudy on the fall of satan and the angles. For instance, have you considered ezekiel in connection with revelation? Are there other books of scripture that adress the issue?
The comments made by SDACC and EGW unfortunately do not count as scripture. How about reading the book of ezekiel and any other relevant part of the bible and then lock yourself into whereever you have your prayerroom and pray over it for a couple of days?

Since Jesus is the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world, which I take to be before the foundations of the world were created, then this plan was to counter what was coming, in which sin enters the world after the fall of Adam and Eve. This is found in Revelation, and we also read that Jesus saw satan fall as lightning from heaven, and Revelation says he was hurled down to the earth. When exactly? The earth was void and without form way before the foundations were laid, it was what appears to me as a blob of water, a water sphere for lack of a better word.
John Milton in his book Paradise Lost describes that the devil was in "the abyss" or there abouts. He would apparently wake up from visions and have his daughters write what he saw, his book was written in 1603.
Anyways aside from all that, for the devil to be cast out of heaven would mean that while he was in heaven all this business of his falling ocurred in heaven, and this doesn't happen overnight considering 1/3 of the angels went with him, this is in the Bible as well.
I understand the portion of Ezekiel to mean that Lucifer did walk in the garden of Eden, when was that who knows? Did he lose his jewlery in which he was decked out in after he was cast out of heaven?
The above comes from Genesis, revelation, Ezekiel, Luke, and after reading several chapters of Paradise lost close to 15 years ago with a college professor.
I need to read in which of the books Ellen White wrote about Lucifers fall, creation, and that timing and cross reference to see what the common thread is, and the details of anything that deviates from the commin thread and try and understand it.
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
Will

double post sorry.