Continuing with the thought behind Tuesday's study, even Noah got himself drunk with wine to the extent he lay naked, which then led to Ham's sin.



Even Noah sinned, which led to Ham's sinning also, which led on to other sins, which is eventually bringing the world back to the state it was before the Flood, if it hasn't already happened.

In my experience, conservatives, as opposed to liberals, have a much better handle on doctrine. They are much more obsessed by doctrinal purity. Only truth can set us free, but we must allow it to set us free from that which enslaves us. Else, we are just well-informed slaves. The Pharisees showed us how that goes.

The opposite, but no less dangerous error of liberalism was exemplified by the Sadducees. We should note that when confronted with the Truth, they teamed with the Pharisees to murder Him. Error, no matter which kind, always opposes God.

The attitude we need to have is the attitude the disciples had. When Jesus found them, they were not saints. Even after 3.5 years, they were still not saints. But the secret of their success, which generally eluded both Pharisee and Sadducee, is that they 1) wanted to know God's will, 2) were willing to do God's will, and 3) did God's will in His strength. Essentially, they understood the truth, AND they stood under the truth.

We touched on this last week in my SS class. Noah's perfection before the Flood and his fall after the Flood highlights various facets of the fact that Noah found grace in God's eyes.

Did Noah really sin? It says he planted wine and then got drunk, but scripture doesnt say that he sinned in doing this. And acctually, neither does the SDA bible commentary as quoted.

Besides, is there any person in the bible besides Jesus who lived wholy perfect throughout their lives?

I dont think obsession is anywhere near showing a good handle on the area of obsession. As you point out, the Pharisees where obsessed with the law but that didnt give them any cred with Jesus.
The truth will indeed set us free, even from the slavery of obsession.We could note as did Paul that if one mixes conservatives and liberals, one needs only add one spark before sitting down and watching the show. And here I thought the secret of their success was somehow tied to the Holy Spirit and pentecost. But I guess that if you know God wants you to preach and you are willing to do so, 3000 people are going to ask you how they can be saved and will request baptism the very same day...

Why dont more SDA pastors follow this 3 stepp plan to evangelistic success?

But isn't getting drunk a sin? Galatians 5:21.

Is there a difference between being drunk and drunkenness? Now I do not know what applies to Noah but could there be a difference between being drunk and being in the habbit of being drunk?

NOTE: this should not be taken to be a defence of missuse of alcohol.

Not to detract from the present discussion, seeing this is Wednesday, I want to bring Wednesday's study on Scoffers—Past and Present into the discussion.


Anybody willing to take a stab at answering the above quoted questions?

How can one get drunk for the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31)?
Besides, I can’t think of anything that is correct if done once but incorrect if it becomes a habit. Habits are right or wrong depending on whether the action repeated is right or wrong.

I would like to add that there are levels of "wrongness" available. Doing the wrong thing because of ignorance or carelessness is not quite the same as the identical action done willfully.