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Justification by Faith prerequisites #82313
12/08/06 10:20 PM
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Tom  Offline OP
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MM wrote (from another thread):

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The Holy Spirit reveals to us, during the patient, protracted process of conversion, all of the sinful habits we cultivated since birth.

We see them in light of the cross for the first time. If we confess each sinful habit, as it is revealed to us, we advance in the process of conversion. When there are no more sinful habits to confess, we experience the miracle of rebirth.

We are born again fully aware of all of the sinful habits we cultivated before we were born again.


Are the following things prerequisites to being justified by faith?

1.The Holy Spirit must reveal to us all of our sinful habits (things we've actually done, not potential bad habits).
2.We must confess every sinful habit we have acquired since birth.

I've posted this in the Bible Study forum because I'm particularly interested in what the Bible teaches about conversion. What must one do to be saved (converted)?



Tom


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Tom] #82334
12/09/06 04:30 PM
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Is Sister White invited to join this Bible study?

Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Mountain Man] #82336
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If Sister White is commenting on a particular Bible text relative to this topi,c I don't see why not.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Daryl] #82363
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No one can believe with the heart unto righteousness, and obtain justification by faith, while continuing the practice of those things which the Word of God forbids, or while neglecting any known duty.

God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.

Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Mountain Man] #82366
12/11/06 03:51 PM
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What Bible text is this commenting on?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Tom] #82373
12/11/06 05:43 PM
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While we are to be in harmony with God's law, we are not saved by the works of the law, yet we cannot be saved without obedience.

Romans
2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 Corinthians
6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Galatians
2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

James
2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Tom] #82374
12/11/06 06:03 PM
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It is said that
Justice is getting what we deserve,
Mercy is not getting what we deserve,
Grace is getting what we do not deserve.

With that definition, Mike is on to Justice. The bible says Jesus offers grace.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: vastergotland] #82376
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Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: vastergotland] #82378
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Thomas, this is what I believe regarding love, mercy, grace, and justice:

Exodus
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exodus
34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].

Re: Justification by Faith prerequisites [Re: Mountain Man] #82379
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Mike, that wasnt very clear. What about adding what you read from these verses in your own words?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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