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Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Tom] #130287
01/21/11 12:45 AM
01/21/11 12:45 AM
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If this is understood to mean that Christ's coming must be soon because it's raining more than ever in Australia or Brazil, I think this is being misunderstood.

Disturbances in nature are occurring worldwide in an increasing scale, not just in Australia or Brazil.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130290
01/21/11 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
T:If this is understood to mean that Christ's coming must be soon because it's raining more than ever in Australia or Brazil, I think this is being misunderstood.

R:Disturbances in nature are occurring worldwide in an increasing scale, not just in Australia or Brazil.


When Christ's character is reproduced in His people, then He will come and claim them as His own. What's the connection between the weather and this?

The cause for Christ's delay is a spiritual one, not a physical one.

Also, out of curiosity, on what basis do you assert that Disturbances in nature are occurring worldwide in an increasing scale?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130297
01/21/11 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela

The text speaks about disturbances in the the oceans, and this pressuposes, among other things, climate changes. In turn, the oceans are one of the main regulators of climatic conditions in global scale.

Sorry, but:

And not only that, but climate changes cause havoc in agricultural production which leads to increased costs for consumers and therefore..... That's why Christ's coming must be near -- because of the higher price of eggs in China.

wink

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: D R] #130298
01/21/11 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: BeachBubbaDan (BBD)
December-January 2011, we have just experienced 6 Mondays in a row with major Nor'easter Storms. first 3 with crazy rain over 250mm in total, the last 3 with blizzard snows!
I noticed your original comment was 4 years ago about how warm it was. Guess it all averages out.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Tom] #130309
01/21/11 05:33 PM
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When Christ's character is reproduced in His people, then He will come and claim them as His own. What's the connection between the weather and this?

The connection is this: while the Spirit's work in the heart of the righteous is intensified, as we approach the end of time the rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit in the world also increases. As the restraining ministry of the Spirit is gradually withdrawn, Satan gets more and more freedom to work - not only in the hearts of people, but also in nature.

Shall but little be done, when the curse of sin has grown to such proportions that already the Spirit of God, insulted, rejected, and abused, is being withdrawn from the earth? Just as fast as God's Spirit is taken away, Satan's cruel work will be done upon land and sea. Judgments by fire and flood will increase in fearfulness; for Satan claims his harvest of souls in the destruction. {YI, June 29, 1899 par. 7}

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The cause for Christ's delay is a spiritual one, not a physical one.

I've already said I agree with this.

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Also, out of curiosity, on what basis do you assert that Disturbances in nature are occurring worldwide in an increasing scale?

Take a look at some of the headlines since 2009:

01.21.2009
Argentina: Worst Drought in 100 Years

02.04.2009
Worst Drought in 50 Years Hits China

09.2009
Manila Pounded by Worst Flooding in 40 Years

09.23.2009
Australia Experiences Worst Dust Storm in 70 Years

Winter 2009-10
Britain's worst snowfall in 30 years: Winter 2009-10

01.21.2010
Cuba Registers Record Low Temperatures in 50 Years

01.19.2010
The wettest Christmas holidays in 60 years [In Andalucía, Spain]

02.22.2010
Worst Snowfall in 40 Years in Moscow

03.02.2010
Florida's Coldest Winter in 30 Years

06.17.2010
Worst Flooding in 200 Years for Southeastern France

08.02.2010
Pakistan’s worst flood in 80 years

11.15.2010
Belgium reels from ‘worst flooding in 50 years

12.03.2010
Southeastern Europe struggling with some of the worst flooding in a century.

12.06.2010
Rain fury in Bosnia, Serbia; flood worst in a century

12.29.2010
This December Could Be the Coldest Month in Cuba in 60 Years

12.30.2010
Australia's worst floods in '50 years'

But all this must be a simple "coincidence."

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130311
01/21/11 06:02 PM
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All those headlines tell us is that the 30-50 last years have been pretty calm, since the last time christians were reading headlines and wondering whether Christs second coming was just to happen. And in those days, the cold war was still making waves with Vietnam and Korea wars and a Cuba nuclear chrisis. Are things really worse now? Those of you who are old enough to remember the 1968 can tell us.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: vastergotland] #130317
01/21/11 06:28 PM
01/21/11 06:28 PM
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All those headlines tell us is that the 30-50 last years have been pretty calm, since the last time christians were reading headlines and wondering whether Christs second coming was just to happen.

If the last 30-50 years have been pretty calm, this time is over.

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These past few months have been filled with extreme weather in many parts of the world, and climatologists are trying to figure out what to make of it.

From flooding in China to wildfires in Russia, strong winds in Australia to stiffling heat in the United States, with waterspouts over Miami Beach, Florida. It's the season of unusual weather. ...

So what is going on? Is it simply a coincidence that this extreme weather is occurring at the same time worldwide. Or is it a warning of catastrophic climate change? The U.S. National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration says the earth has been warming over the past three decades and the most recent decade is the hottest ever.

"Even if the temperature trend were flat, we would see extreme weather. What we will see in a changing climate is that these things are more frequent. They may be of higher magnitude, meaning more severe when they happen and that's what we can truly see in a changing climate," said Deke Arndt, with NOAA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration].
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Extreme-Weather-Experienced-Worldwide-99993264.html

Indeed.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: vastergotland] #130318
01/21/11 06:31 PM
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Natural disasters and weather related calamities have been waxing and waning since the fall of A&E. So, what's new? Wars and rumors of war continue to plague the world. So, what's new? False prophets and false christs abound. So, what's new? The SDA church is wallowing in laodicea. So, what's new? The SDA church is still failing to grasp the significance of 1888. So, what's new?

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: kland] #130319
01/21/11 06:32 PM
01/21/11 06:32 PM
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And not only that, but climate changes cause havoc in agricultural production which leads to increased costs for consumers and therefore..... That's why Christ's coming must be near -- because of the higher price of eggs in China.

Because of the economical crisis which this can provoke in the world.

From the article quoted just above:

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Analysts say the world should be aware of the consequences. "We pray to God day and night for rain to fall, to change this weather. It is the only thing which can help us," said Igor Vlaznev, a Russian firefighter.

Russia is the world's third largest wheat exporter and officials there say the drought will cut the grain harvest by 25 percent. Grain exports could drop by a half this year. World wheat prices are already up nearly 50 percent since early June.

"Grain prices are going up. Food prices are going to be going up," said Lester Brown, who is with the Earth Policy Institute. ...

Brown says it does not necessarily mean global warming, but "what we can say is that given the projections for future temperature rises, that we will be seeing more and more Russias around the world. The next time it may be in China, may be in the U.S. midwest or Great Plains. Could be in two or three of them at once. Then we are in real trouble."

Brown says to watch for three key indicators -- the number of hungry people in the world, the price of grain and the number of failing states.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130321
01/21/11 06:38 PM
01/21/11 06:38 PM
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Natural disasters and weather related calamities have been waxing and waning since the fall of A&E. So, what's new? Wars and rumors of war continue to plague the world. So, what's new? False prophets and false christs abound. So, what's new? The SDA church is wallowing in laodicea. So, what's new? The SDA church is still failing to grasp the significance of 1888. So, what's new?

The frequence and intensity is increasing. This is new. These are warning signals to those who wish to heed them.

About Laodicea, I would say, "Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him" (1 Kings 19:18). There is always a remnant in whose heart God is enthroned - an Israel within Israel. Be sure to be part of this remnant.

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