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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84758
02/03/07 01:01 AM
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Yes, in mingling with the world, which we need to do, we need to be careful that, in mingling with the world, we do not become of the world.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84759
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PS - I read the entire article. I normally do not buy into ideas and theories that label people or generations of people. However, I did appreciate Pastor Jan's insights regarding new immigrants and indigenous people. I suspect this applies especially to people who immigrate from places where religious freedom is suppressed. But eventually people succumb to worldliness and the Gospel takes a back seat - what some call "lukewarm".

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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84776
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Thomas, I believe mingling with worldings for the sake of leading them to Jesus is a worthy model. But it must be on Jesus' terms. I agree with Paul's counsel of concern. We need to be very careful in ministering to worldings that in the process they do not lead us away from Jesus.
Regarding the verses you quoted in your first post. I thougth that since Paul writes about "brethren" as the ones doing those things, it would have refered to church members being guilty of it. Treat them as unbelievers. And how are we to treat unbelievers? Are we to pour contempt over them? If we do that, we ensure that they will continue to be unbelievers. Are we not instead to continue to model the Love of Jesus to them, even though they may not for the time being be our brothers or sisters?

Thomas


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84790
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Thomas, here are the texts I quoted:

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Paul, as a good shepherd, jealously guarded his flock. He often counseled church members to avoid [1] hypocrites and [2] heretics and [3] people who reject the gospel as it is in Jesus. "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14, 15)

1 Corinthians
5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

2 Corinthians
6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I agree with Paul, and with you, that we should be careful to not shun people who may be won to Jesus or won back to Jesus. But people who persist in despising or misrepresenting Jesus should be avoided. At what point, however, do we make this unfortunate decision "that he may be ashamed"?

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3:10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

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Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, arguments about genealogies, quarrels, and fights about the law. These things are useless and worthless.
Tit 3:10 Have nothing to do with a person who causes divisions after you have warned him once or twice.
Tit 3:11 For you know that a person like this is corrupt and keeps on sinning, being self-condemned.

Having had a look at Titus chapter 3, it seems to me that whom Paul is talking about here is the local pharisee in your church. The person who just cant keep him/herself from having oppinions about other peoples faith, acts or general relationship with God. And I agree with Paul here. Seldom does anything good come from assosiation with the local pharisee (or any other pharisee for that matter).

Thomas


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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