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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86836
03/22/07 08:21 PM
03/22/07 08:21 PM
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I just had a sudden thought.

What about Christ while in His humanity on this planet?

After all, isn't Christ our Example?

Did Christ abstain from the eating of flesh food?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86837
03/22/07 08:22 PM
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Daryl  Online Canadian

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Don't get me wrong.

I am not advocating the eating of flesh food, however, I am not going so far as to condemning those who do as committing a sin in so doing.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86838
03/22/07 08:34 PM
03/22/07 08:34 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I am not advocating the eating of flesh food, however, I am not going so far as to condemning those who do as committing a sin in so doing.


Neither am I, but I think we need to get a clear idea of what constitutes sin.

 Quote:
Matthew 15:11 - Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.


What goes into the mouth is not as important as why it is there. Is it there to gratify the Spirit or the flesh? That is the key.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86839
03/22/07 08:47 PM
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Greetings Brethren and Sisters,

Upon reading Gordon's post, my soul was deeply touched. And then the Holy Spirit suggested that I consider the Holidays during this time. So here is what I have found:

  • Daniel 10:1-4
    "In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel."
When is this first month? It is Nissan, which is March-April. During this time we often remember a holiday ourselves called "Easter." But during this time Daniel was mourning, it was within the time of Passover. Therefore beyond his character we view that he was filled with deep sorrow inside. So much so that he did not take Passover.
  1. I ate no pleasant bread
  2. neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth
  3. neither did I anoint myself at all
And to Will, I do not know if this will help you, but ask that you might consider what has been shared.

And then Brother Gordon explained the understanding of the Passover Lamb so well:
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The ceremonial obligation is quite different from the daily dietary. We should not confuse the sacred with the common. Rather I believe the shedding of blood at Passover would cause regret and deep contemplation for the contrite believer, as it typifies the death of Christ due to our sins.

Thus the passover lamb would be slain and consumed with regret, reflection and a recognition of guilt. This would not be an act of appetite gratification, but rather remorse, as well as humble gratitude toward the Saviour.
Daryl and Crater, does this information combined with Brother Gordon's help?

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86840
03/22/07 09:05 PM
03/22/07 09:05 PM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
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Greetings Daryl,
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I just had a sudden thought.

What about Christ while in His humanity on this planet?

After all, isn't Christ our Example?

Did Christ abstain from the eating of flesh food?

There is no record in Spirit of Prophecy that Christ abstained. Yet in the scriptures we have to remember a prophecy in:
  • Isaiah 7:15 "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good."
And this presents for many a contradiction in the scriptures. This is something that I had prayed on for nearly a year before the Lord provided me with an answer. But God is good and in His time provides all truth.

Did Christ abstain from flesh foods. I truly believe that He did, but it took much prayer and supplication, many days of education, and patience before I received my answer.
  • Romans 14:5 "...Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

    Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
    Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86842
03/22/07 09:46 PM
03/22/07 09:46 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian

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Does eating fish come under the category of the eating of flesh food?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86843
03/22/07 09:55 PM
03/22/07 09:55 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Cheri Fritz
And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel."

When is this first month? It is Nissan, which is March-April. ... it was within the time of Passover. ... So much so that he did not take Passover.


I doubt that Daniel missed Passover.

First, that would have been against God's command (Numbers 9:13). Daniel was not the type to do that.

Second, it was already the 24th day of the month, past Passover, if it indeed was Nissan. It would also be past the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Third, it is possible that he used the secular calendar, making it the 7th month of the religious calendar - Tishri. But if it was the 24th, it would also be past the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86844
03/22/07 10:11 PM
03/22/07 10:11 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Does eating fish come under the category of the eating of flesh food?


My rule of thumb: If it has a face, yes.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: asygo] #86846
03/22/07 10:16 PM
03/22/07 10:16 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian

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That being the case, we know that Christ ate fish, both before and after His resurrection.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86848
03/22/07 10:55 PM
03/22/07 10:55 PM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
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Greetings Daryl,

Prior to my time in study on this "contraction" in the scriptures I had always kept faith that Christ ate fish. But then my eldest son wanted to know if Christ would eat what He taught us not to. When I entered into the study, I had to learn how to leave my own opinion at the door, as we all do when studying with God.

So may I suggest taking more time in prayer and study on this issue, especially if you are interested in knowing if there is a contraction. It is well worth the time invested, at least it was for me. Again it took me nearly a year of searching the scriptures before I could know what Christ did and/or did not do with regards the contradiction in Isaiah and the other verses.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
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