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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/27/07 10:02 PM
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I agree with the premise that to understand how Christ's work fixes what happened in Eden, we need to understand what happened in Eden. I believe our believing the serpents lies resulted in our seeing God in a way He is not. In order for us to be reconciled, or set right, with God, it was necessary that we see Him as He really is. This was the work which Jesus Christ finished (when He said, "I have finished the work you gave me to do.") Here is a nice comment on this from EGW: Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God. In Christ was arrayed before men the paternal grace and the matchless perfections of the Father. In his prayer just before his crucifixion, he declared, "I have manifested thy name." "I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." When the object of his mission was attained,--the revelation of God to the world,--the Son of God announced that his work was accomplished, and that the character of the Father was made manifest to men. (ST 1/20/90)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Was the Death of Jesus Necessary For the Race to be Saved?
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03/28/07 02:27 AM
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Do you have a verse for that? You cannot depend on an opinion expressed by an individual who is commenting on past issues. I guess the short answer is No. The connection between the death of Jesus and the salvation of the race must be established before the death occurred. Why? Where did that rule come from? But anyway... Isaiah 53:5 - But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.Too many believe that the human race rebelled against their creator even though the Bible is clear that they were deceived and the enemy took occasion of their fall to claim them as his. Why do you think rebellion and deception are mutually exclusive? Where do you get the idea that Adam and Eve did not experience both? (But keep in mind that I will not depend on your expressed opinions and comments on past issues. To paraphrase the disclaimer on many items sold in health food stores, Not intended to cure or treat any misconceptions.)
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/28/07 08:34 AM
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Thomas, we don't all have the same tolerance for pain. Given your "actor" comment I am surprised you would suggest that Jesus scripted the cross and that you can find evidence for it in the Bible. (of course, you did not provide a reference). Im not quite sure which posts of mine you are refering to here..
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/28/07 03:36 PM
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Thomas, we don't all have the same tolerance for pain. Given your "actor" comment I am surprised you would suggest that Jesus scripted the cross and that you can find evidence for it in the Bible. (of course, you did not provide a reference). I still wonder where the "scripted the cross" comes in, unless you refer to some of the bibleverses I quoted...
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/28/07 03:41 PM
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All I know is that according to John 17:1-5 the work of redemption had already been completed.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 5:10 says "by the death of his Son."
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