Have you ever heard the saying, "What a character!"?

Well what was the character of Jesus like during His life here on earth?

"In His life Jesus of Nazareth differed from all other men. His entire life was characterized by disinterested benevolence and the beauty of holiness. In His bosom existed the purest love, free from every taint of selfishness and sin. His life was perfectly harmonious. He is the only true model of goodness and perfection. From the beginning of His ministry men began more clearly to comprehend the character of God." {18MR 112.3}

I see the following characteristics of Christ in the quote Rosangela provided:

1 - disinterested benevolence
2 - the purest love, free from every taint of selfishness and sin
3 - unselfish (free from every taint of selfishness)
4 - sinless (free from every taint of sin)
5 - perfectly harmonious
6 - true model of goodness
7 - true model of perfection

Did I both understand this and listed this correctly?

Sure, although all these characteristics could be classified as the several facets of unselfishness.

Can we compare Jesus' character to ours? Isn't that like comparing sunlight to candle light? Sure, both are light forms, but what a difference, eh! Our work is to strive to attain in our sphere of action the perfection that Christ in His life on the earth attained in every phase of character. He is our example. In all things we are to strive to honor God in character.

Matthew
5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

DA 311
God's ideal for His children is higher than the highest human thought can reach. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." This command is a promise. The plan of redemption contemplates our complete recovery from the power of Satan. Christ always separates the contrite soul from sin. He came to destroy the works of the devil, and He has made provision that the Holy Spirit shall be imparted to every repentant soul, to keep him from sinning. {DA 311.2}

We seem to now have a list of Christ's character, therefore, what list can we come up with for man's character before the Fall and then after the Fall?

Before the Fall?

After the Fall?

Daryl, why have you blocked me from the other threads I was participating in?

That was my fault. I did not realize I was not logged in. All is well. Apologies to Daryl.

Before the Fall?
loving
holy
in God's image

After the Fall?
selfish
evil
in Satan's image

What about Satan's character? In whose image is it?

It sounds to me like Jesus was PERFECT! In as many words stated above, he was without sin while on this planet.

How then was Jesus like one of us, if he was perfect? And yes, I'm taking those words "literally", as those words are "literally" what God has given me to know Jesus's character.

Jesus was like us - that is, like Christians - in mind, body and spirit: The Holy, Spirit of God ruled his human mind, his body was burdened with sinfulness, and his human spirit was trained heavenward by God.

There were perhaps four differences: he was born with the Spirit (that experience is a mystery to human knowledge and understanding, since we consider our time as children not exactly perfect), he never fell into sin, he learned righteous by perfect obedience - i.e. never falling, and he built his righteous character without having to replace sinful traits with righteousness. As of receiving God's Spirit into our lives we may follow his example by the same power he used.

He was like each of us in our Christian, biological, moral and spiritual set up, but, despite that set up, an example to us of righteous living by faith in his - and our - Father. The unblemished perfector of character he was, pioneering converted/justified sinful human nature that he took for his own, fulfulled the law with, and offered as the sacrifice for sin.

As a small side issue, you mean "literally" as in what is read in the SOP, not "literally" as in dictated by God like verbal inspiration? I took the "clearly read" option as your clear intention...

Depending on exactly what it means to be made in Gods image, are we not still made in the same image? In either case, as satan lacks creative powers, he cannot make anyone in his own image.

The image is there, but it is marred and well-nigh obliterated.


Satan cannot make one in his own image. Rather, he fools others into making themselves in his image.

Essentially, when one is selfish, he is in Satan's image.

How do you know? What exactly does it mean to be made in God's image?

Yeah, gonna have to second that motion, or question as it is. What exactly is God's image, where is that described, and what is inclusive of the term "image"? Does that mean a physical thing, like color of hair or skin, or number of appendages, or our biology? Or does "image" refer more to a mental/spirit thing? Is it our "person" and not our body that is in the image of God?

And what is the image of satan? Does he have horns and a spikey tail? Does he hold a shape that we would even recognize? Does he look like God? Was his image changed when he was expelled from heaven? And if so, from what into what? How will we know when someone else is in his image?

Here's a short passage for now:

"God created man in his own image" does not convey as much info to me as it does to you. You seem to believe that means in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature. But it does not say that. It only say's "His own image". And since we don't in fact know what "His" image is, then how can we infer that our image is that of His in all those respects? The answer, I think, is that "a likeness" is an ill defined statement. And we all have to come to our own conclusion. I think that's why God gave us the ability to reason. He want's us to think about these things, I don't think He want's us to just blindly follow and believe what other humans say. I think He want's us to know Him personally, so we can talk to Him, and learn from the true master, not some fallable human.

But I say again, we should work together. I do not advocate isolationism, nor only personal worship, or only learning on your own. We can, and should learn from each other, but ultimately we have to use our own "critical thinking skills" to asses what's right for us, in our own personal relationship with God.

Yes, Scripture says merely that "God created man in his own image", but it also says of Jesus, "his Son...who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person" and Jesus said he reflected his Father's appearance and character.

But this sentence, "When Adam came from the Creator's hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker." (which Asygo quoted above) - comes from the Spirit of Prophecy and agrees with Scripture, doesn't it? - is that not more than "what other humans say"? It isn't solely Asygo's belief, surely, that we are made physically, mentally and spiritually in God's own image - as opposed to just mentally and spiritually? All prophets are fallible - even the Man Jesus while on earth, but prophetic messages are the infallible part - from God - and the SOP is not to be brought down from that level by the likes of Graeme Bradford!

As for what his image actually is, the Son of God himself passed before Moses while hiding his face and declared his divine virtues, and Sister White asked Jesus in vision, while in the throne room of God, whether the Father looked like him and was told he did but was shrouded in light unapproachable for mortal eyes. Now Ellen related to Jesus quite closely!! We must, m u s t, have a correct knowledge of God and his Christ else we cannot know the Father through Jesus, and relating to God personally would be on misinformation if our understanding is wrong.

The words "his own image" use the Greek word for character I'm told (feel f r e e to check!), but appearance cannot be excluded, for did Adam recognise the Son of God as his Creator by appearance or something else????

Indeed a very important issue to sort out correctly, with much study and discussion, but there is an adventist minister who met the devil in his previous job (see below)...we can read what he, the Adventist, suggests, instead of asking him to explain...

As for colour and western or oriental features, we have no guide, but biologically or physically yes, we are in God's image, but the mental, spiritual and character likeness is marred - badly. Is the SOP wrong to include physical appearance in our likeness to God?

The Bible implies very strongly that we share physical likeness while stating his character traits, which Jesus emphasised we are to obtain through his gospel, and SOP states a physical likeness. Need more?

As for the Devil, I could say, as was indeed written about him in an exam essay comparing Jesus and Satan - in the last line of 3 pages - "for the devil I have no time": look him up in Patriarchs and Prophets and Early Writings, I understand: Will Baron, an Adventist minister and former New Age priest, read a physical description of Satan in Ellen White's book (ER) and recognised his New Age, meditation mentor who physically met with him while he was in trance, as he wrote in his autobiography, "Deceived by the New Age," available through the ABC. A dark complexion with forehead leaning backwards a great deal,etc.: totally immoral...

The Devil probably can shapeshift - possibly the serpent in Eden (no, it was likely just demon possession), but definitely retains a semblance of his created, pure glory, as we are told he may just show up as an angel of light. No horns, though...!...he almost definitely doesn't have time for them!!

Did not the prophet say that there would be nothing about the appearance of Gods Messiah that would draw us to Him? "For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,And like a root out of parched ground;He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him." Thus, should we draw the conclusion that God's appearance is either so bland that noone would notice it in a crowd or so ugly that people would shun it? For if it is attractive, Isaiah would have to be speaking about someone else, right?"And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming."
One could wonder why the appearance of His face would change in this event of glory?

So you say that Jesus is fallible but prophecy is infallible? And then you have breath left to accuse Bradford of confusing things? Ttt...

Jonah brought the prophetic message that Nineveh would fall after a certain period of time. The people repented and Nineveh did not fall. In Pauls words: "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away;". Prophetic messages will fall but God will be ever true, even God incarnate. Moses asked to see God's glory, and God replied by the declaration of His divine virtues. We learn, God's character is His glory.
You teach that our relationship with Jesus and God depends on correct knowledge. Jesus teached that our relationship with Him depends on us approaching Him as children. Your teaching does not match that of Jesus. Sorry pal, Jesus gets the first hearing, not you. Maybe you should spend some time getting to know Jesus personally instead of this speculation? After all, Jesus Himself prophecied that in the last day, some will hear Him say "I never knew you". And that, unlike lacking correct knowledge, is fatal..

We must settle this point first. Do you believe that what the apostles and prophets wrote are authoritative and definitive? Or is that included in the pile of questionable material from "fallible humans"?

The answer to this will determine whether we are doing objective study and research, or merely exchanging subjective ideas.

If the Bible is authoritative, then we go to the book to find answers. If not, then we are free to make any assertion without the burden substantiating it with anything more than "God told me so." How shall we proceed with our discussion?

Yes, and no.

Yes. I do believe that the word of God was written through these prophets and apostles.

No. I don't think it has all the answers or tells all the information God wants us to have. For if it were the only piece of information we needed, why would we need even one of Sister White's books? Or why would we need anybody else to read the bible and tell us what it means? I could just do it myself.
I think the bible is a great place to start, to draw our inspiration, to get to know God. But there's a lot more to life on this planet then just knowing God. We have to eat, sleep, have jobs, interact with other people, build transportation, fight disease. And there arent' always answers in the bible for these things. So, God has given us other ways to learn from Him, and of Him, one way being Sister White. I don't think that she's the only one God has spoken to or given valuable information to. There are other ways to learn, and grow closer to God, and still repent, and love thy Father.

So, yes, the bible is authoritative and definitive on the subjects of the time. They don't however, give answers to how to deal with MRSA, or global warming, or the mites that kill the honey bee's.

So let's get the right info from there, but then also pull our heads out of our bible's when it's time to look other places to see God's light as well. One great example is nature. Lion's are and always were, meat eaters; and zebra's and a whole host of other savannah animals developed camoflouge to hide and flee from those big cats. No, the bible doesn't say lions ate sheep, but it sure hint's at it when it say's, and in the new heaven the lion would lay down with the lamb, something so vastly different than what goes on currently. And then yes, you could infer that there will be no animal eating in heaven, but once again, it does not say that or not. So really, we don't know, just like a lot of things about God, and His plans.

Now I also feel that while the bible is the authority of biblical times, it can also be used in these modern times. There are still(and always will be) ton's of lesson's to be learned, as well as the best source for getting to know God. But I don't think we should find the answer to everything there. We should use it as a resource, or a measurement tool, or like in a clinical trial when you have a "control group." I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water, but I do want to clarify that bath water before throwing it out, so as to keep the baby and any other valuable resources floating around in that water that we might not have recognized at first.

So let's continue with the learning process, I'm moved by this site more everyday. Notice how often I'm here, and you all seem to be a lot more "chatty" at well, that's great. I think it's just what God want's, us learning more about Him.

And I want to be as objective as possible, believe me, that's what I'm all about. That's part of the beauty of so many great minds here, lots of people thinking about the same thing, looking at it from different angles. It's like "rounds" at a teaching hospital. You have not just one doctor looking after a patient, you have a whole group going aroud, talking about the patient, looking at the latest lab reports, talking about the various implications of said reports, thinking of diagnosis's, mulling over the treatments, and discussing the latest results of the clinical trials going on. Medicine is much like bible study, I think that's why the SDA's latched onto it so strongly. It's just like getting to know God; as we know ourselves, we know God, since he resides within so many of us.

So yeah, let's be objective, armed with real facts, and use critical thinking skills, and look at things from different viewpoints, mull over the treatments for our broken souls, and use each others help to stand up for the Lord when so many other's forsake Him.

I'm ready to compare Christ's character to ours. Shall we move on?

Before we can move on, we must agree on our sources of truth.

Since the Bible is "authoritative and definitive," if I say, "God created man in His own image" (Genesis 1:27), do we agree that the statement is incontrovertible truth? We might not understand it in its fullest sense, but it is true nonetheless. Agreed?

But your comments bring another point to light.



If the Bible does not have all the answers and information, what grounds do you have for questioning my belief that being created in God's image includes the physical, mental, and spiritual nature? It may very well be one of those pieces of info that God reveals through avenues other than the Bible. Therefore, since you believe that the Bible is not comprehensive in its pronouncements, you have no business questioning my belief just because the Bible "does not say that." In light of that, will you now accept my stated belief?

Going beyond that, what if I showed you that my belief is based on some EGW quotes? Will you then accept it as truth?

Ah, no; for Isaiah refers to the appearance of the Son of man on earth, and Hebrews refers to the Son of God before he came to earth, with - as Jesus said in Jn 17:5 - "the glory which I had with thee before the world was".

Such condescension!

By "Man Jesus" earlier I was emphasing his humanity, not dispensing with his divinity, and your references to his transfiguration are indeed dramatic.

As for prophecy's infallibility next to prophets themselves, Jesus' fallibility is testament to his human ability to sin - an ability abiding alongside his divinity in his body; while the prophetic gift is only necessary for the age of sin in this world, during which time prophetic messages of Biblical callibre are from God, are they not? - rendering all of the same authority...which Graeme appears to differ on, even in NT times.

Jonah's message didn't fall, did it? It was a conditional message: 40 days to repent or be destroyed, and God honoured their response to his warning: it's much the same warning in the 3rd angel's message of Rev 14:9-11, which calls for a choice - just as the Ninevites had a choice.

Yes, my brother, Jesus started with divine glory and moved next to revelation of divine virtues with us sinners on earth, so that - as Tom likes to emphasise from his p.o.v. - we can understand God's holy character revealed in his glory (and not be confused by alternative errors such as tyrant, etc), and relate to God's truth manifested in his personal approach to us: relate to God personally through Jesus.

Children understand love and compassion - truths about God: do not understanding God's truths and relating to God personally because of them go together, and guarding against false presentations & understandings of God, altogether as we serve Jesus our Elder Brother and God our Saviour?

I'm sorry for appearing generally to offend you with my earlier post's comments - which I hope I've helped to clarify as not departing from the gospel, and especially this quote from me about Adam which may have been too flippant: I was emphasising the pragmtic relationship between Adam and God's Son by way of noticeable visual similarity between them, as Adam would recognise a connection - Creator/creature - between them as he was a son of God was in God's own image. Retaining that attitude of subservience to Jesus is part of knowing him, not so, which those who indeed "never knew" Jesus shall be told to their face?

Again, I'm sorry for raising your ire: Has that helped assuage your anger?

The title of this thread indicates it is concerned with comparing our character to Jesus´character. One thing is for sure - Jesus is a human in heaven. He looks like us. But the more important question is - do we behave like Him? John 14:12 suggests that to believe in Jesus is to behave like Jesus. COL 69 says that when the body of Christ perfectly reproduces the character of Christ the end will come, Jesus will return to return us according to our words and works.

The questrion isn´t - Can our character be compared to Jesus´character. The ultimate question is - How long will we continue to come short of the glory God, how much longer will we delay the Second Advent? The honor of God is tied to us perfecting Christian character.

I disagree that the honor of God is tied to us perfecting Christian character. Where does God require those born under sin to live perfectly. If God is waiting for a perfect end time people before He can return then we all are in trouble. Why should God have to prove that someone born under sin can keep the law perfectly when that was never His claim nor His intention? I understand that His law is perfect and that His created beings should live in perfect harmony with it because it is the best way for us to live and only for our good. God would want to show that the law can be kept and that it is good, but not necessarily that those with sinful propensity could never sin. Anyone listen to the audio of Knights presentation from the QOD weekend?

Aaron, what is your take on the great controversy motif? What is at stake? What are the issues? What is God waiting for? Why didn't the GC end at the cross? Why hasn't Jesus returned yet and put an end to sin? Why are we still waiting for Jesus to restore Paradise Lost?

Oh I agree that charges have been made by Satan against the Godhead concerning whether He is loving and just. I just don’t think a fallen world being able to keep the law perfectly is one of the charges. What I think happens when a person is converted is they from then on wish to love others more then self. Wishing is a far step from actually accomplishing. Before becoming a Christian your more concerned with your own well being then with anyone else. Character perfection would be working towards always loving others more then self but not actually seeing that happen until He returns and changes us

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Here is a something posed to the panel during the QOD weekend. Which side can you agree with more?

“One side says Jesus came to prove that living a perfect obedient life is possible. He came in fallen human nature just like ours to remove our excuse and give us an example, to show that we can do it too if we are faithful and pray hard as Jesus did

The other side says Jesus came to save us sinners and that requires that He be the divine son of God who provided a sinless substitutionary sacrifice. The only thing we can do is trust in Him.

One says I need a small Christ because if you make him big how can I be like him. The other says I need a big Christ because if we make him too small how can he save me.”

I don’t know why Jesus hasn’t returned. I think one reason could be the gospel hasn’t reached the entire world.

Aaron

It depends on what you mean by "live perfectly." If you mean that the righteous requirements of the law will be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit, that's found in Romans 8. If you mean that those of us who died to sin are no longer under its dominion, and we cannot live in it anymore, that's found in Romans 6. If you mean that whoever is born of God does not sin, and cannot sin, that's found in 1Jn 3.

There another one. He says, "I need a huge Christ so that He can save me from the mess that I am, and recreate me into one like Him.

Thank you, Aaron, for answering my questions. You've given me a lot to think about. I have a few other questions; I hope you don't mind.

1. Where in the Bible does it say we cannot completely cease sinning in this lifetime?

2. If ceasing sinning is impossible, why is it impossible? What is it about us that makes it impossible for Jesus to empower us to cease sinning?

Well off hand Jeremiah 13:23 comes to mind "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard this spots? Then you also can do good who are accustomed to doing evil?" Or Romans 3:9 tells us all are under sin. Romans 7:17 refers to the sin which indwells us.

I believe the biblical view of sin is not just acts but a state. We are born in the sinful flesh. I believe Christ can help us overcome sins but never will we reach a state of sinlessness like LGT would require. Now I think the sins that concern God are the high handed defiant ones that separate us from him. For example, I might always feel anger if someone cuts me off on the road but through the power of God I won’t chase them down and flip them off. The anger comes because I have a corrupted will and I will always have that until Christ Himself comes back and changes me. Isn’t this the struggle that Paul refers too in Romans 7? Before you’re converted you don’t even try to keep the law or care that your not keeping it. Afterward you do care and hate that no matter how much you want to stop sinning you still struggle with it your whole life. In both cases you are trying your best so there is no antinomianism. The problem with thinking you can become perfect in my opinion is that it leads to frustration because it’s an impossible task. And it keeps you focused on yourself instead of on Christ.

I don’t intend to change anyones mind on this matter. I just like to show an alternate viewpoint for others that might be reading this forum. Today I was thinking about this concept of the last generation and how you always hear "the only thing we get to take to heaven with us is our character" and a thought occurred to me. What happens to the characters of the resurrected? Do they get a new character or are they stuck with the ones they happened to have had at death?

It doesn't say that we cannot completely cease sinning, but 1Jn 1:8 is worth a look.

What "state of sinlessness" do you think LGT requires?

I've had many conversations with Larry Kirkpatrick, and from what I've seen so far, the LGT requirement of sinlessness is much easier to achieve than what the Gospel offers. While the Gospel promises a transformation of nature, LGT only requires a modification of motives. The Gospel changes what you are, while LGT only changes what you choose.

BTW, I recently started a conversation with LK about LGT and sinlessness. Maybe there are subtle nuances still to be discovered.

Aaron: Now I think the sins that concern God are the high handed defiant ones that separate us from him. For example, I might always feel anger if someone cuts me off on the road but through the power of God I won’t chase them down and flip them off. The anger comes because I have a corrupted will and I will always have that until Christ Himself comes back and changes me. Isn’t this the struggle that Paul refers too in Romans 7?

MM: Excellent observations and question. Yes, this side of heaven we will always be tempted from within to be unlike Jesus, and for the very reason you gave - we have a fallen flesh nature, which wars against the Spirit dwelling within us and against the new man mind Jesus implanted within us the moment we were born again.

However, I'm not so sure that being tempted from within by our fallen flesh nature constitutes sinning. All temptations begin as unholy thoughts and feelings, right? Otherwise, how else could we be tempted? But, praise the Lord, being tempted isn't the same thing as sinning. If, when we are tempted from within, we keep our eyes of faith on Jesus, continue to fellowship with Him in spirit and in truth, we come off more than conquerors. We are not contaminated.

Staying with your example, the fact we are tempted to feel and think ungodly thoughts and feelings about the guy who cuts us off in traffic is not a sin. That is, being tempted to think and feel unlovely things about the guy is not a sin. True, the fact such thoughts and feelings well up within us is evidence we inherited a fallen flesh nature, that sin dwells with in us. Nevertheless, we are not guilty of sinning simply because our sinful flesh nature tempts us from within to be unlike Jesus.

The bad news is, we are stuck with our sinful flesh nature and its unholy clamorings until the day Jesus returns and rewards us with a sinless body and nature. Being a Christian is a battle and a march. We must fight the good fight of faith without ceasing. But the rewards are worth it - being like Jesus now and spending eternity with Him later on.

"The Christian will feel the promptings of sin, but he will maintain a constant warfare against it." Here is the context of this insight:

i was going to start a topic posting thoughts like these on hopefully a regular basis, then i saw this one. if you dont think it fits with your topic, daryl, i wont mind if you move it.

In the court a fire had been kindled; for it was the coldest hour of the night, being just before the dawn. A company drew about the fire, and Peter presumptuously took his place with them. He did not wish to be recognized as a disciple of Jesus. By mingling carelessly with the crowd, he hoped to be taken for one of those who had brought Jesus to the hall. {DA 710.4}
But as the light flashed upon Peter's face, the woman who kept the door cast a searching glance upon him. She had noticed that he came in with John, she marked the look of dejection on his face, and thought that he might be a disciple of Jesus. She was one of the servants of Caiaphas' household, and was curious to know. She said to Peter, "Art not thou also one of this Man's disciples?" Peter was startled and confused; the eyes of the company instantly fastened upon him. He pretended not to understand her; but she was persistent, and said to those around her that this man was with Jesus. Peter felt compelled to answer, and said angrily, "Woman, I know Him not." This was the first denial, and immediately the cock crew. O Peter, so soon ashamed of thy Master! so soon to deny thy Lord! {DA 710.5}
The disciple John, upon entering the judgment hall, did not try to conceal the fact that he was a follower of Jesus. He did not mingle with the rough company who were reviling his Master. He was not questioned, for he did not assume a false character, and thus lay himself liable to suspicion. He sought a retired corner secure from the notice of the mob, but as near Jesus as it was possible for him to be. Here he could see and hear all that took place at the trial of his Lord. {DA 711.1}
Peter had not designed that his real character should be known. In assuming an air of indifference he had placed himself on the enemy's ground, and he became an easy prey to temptation. If he had been called to fight for his Master, he would have been a courageous soldier; but when the finger of scorn was pointed at him, he proved himself a coward. Many who do not shrink from active warfare for their Lord are driven by ridicule to deny their faith. By associating with those whom they should avoid, they place themselves in the way of temptation. They invite the enemy to tempt them, and are led to say and do that of which under other circumstances they would never have been guilty. The disciple of Christ who in our day disguises his faith through dread of suffering or reproach denies his Lord as really as did Peter in the judgment hall. {DA 712.1}
Peter tried to show no interest in the trial of his Master, but his heart was wrung with sorrow as he heard the cruel taunts, and saw the abuse He was suffering. More than this, he was surprised and angry that Jesus should humiliate Himself and His followers by submitting to such treatment. In order to conceal his true feelings, he endeavored to join with the persecutors of Jesus in their untimely jests. But his appearance was unnatural. He was acting a lie, and while seeking to talk unconcernedly he could not restrain expressions of indignation at the abuse heaped upon his Master. {DA 712.2}
Attention was called to him the second time, and he was again charged with being a follower of Jesus. He now declared with an oath, "I do not know the Man." Still another opportunity was given him. An hour had passed, when one of the servants of the high priest, being a near kinsman of the man whose ear Peter had cut off, asked him, "Did not I see thee in the garden with Him?" "Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilean, and thy speech agreeth thereto." At this Peter flew into a rage. The disciples of Jesus were noted for the purity of their language, and in order fully to deceive his questioners, and justify his assumed character, Peter now denied his Master with cursing and swearing. Again the cock crew. Peter heard it then, and he remembered the words of Jesus, "Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny Me thrice." Mark 14:30. {DA 712.3}
While the degrading oaths were fresh upon Peter's lips, and the shrill crowing of the cock was still ringing in his ears, the Saviour turned from the frowning judges, and looked full upon His poor disciple. At the same time Peter's eyes were drawn to his Master. In that gentle countenance he read deep pity and sorrow, but there was no anger there. {DA 712.4}
The sight of that pale, suffering face, those quivering lips, that look of compassion and forgiveness, pierced his heart like an arrow. Conscience was aroused. Memory was active. Peter called to mind his promise of a few short hours before that he would go with his Lord to prison and to death. He remembered his grief when the Saviour told him in the upper chamber that he would deny his Lord thrice that same night. Peter had just declared that he knew not Jesus, but he now realized with bitter grief how well his Lord knew him, and how accurately He had read his heart, the falseness of which was unknown even to himself. {DA 713.1}
A tide of memories rushed over him. The Saviour's tender mercy, His kindness and long-suffering, His gentleness and patience toward His erring disciples,--all was remembered. He recalled the caution, "Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: but I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not." Luke 22:31, 32. He reflected with horror upon his own ingratitude, his falsehood, his perjury. Once more he looked at his Master, and saw a sacrilegious hand raised to smite Him in the face. Unable longer to endure the scene, he rushed, heartbroken, from the hall. {DA 713.2}
He pressed on in solitude and darkness, he knew not and cared not whither. At last he found himself in Gethsemane. The scene of a few hours before came vividly to his mind. The suffering face of his Lord, stained with bloody sweat and convulsed with anguish, rose before him. He remembered with bitter remorse that Jesus had wept and agonized in prayer alone, while those who should have united with Him in that trying hour were sleeping. He remembered His solemn charge, "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation." Matthew 26:41. He witnessed again the scene in the judgment hall. It was torture to his bleeding heart to know that he had added the heaviest burden to the Saviour's humiliation and grief. On the very spot where Jesus had poured out His soul in agony to His Father, Peter fell upon his face, and wished that he might die. {DA 713.3}

the above post was the response of peter to Christs look of love and pity.

the following is the response of judas to that very same look.

Judas did not, however, believe that Christ would permit Himself to be arrested. In betraying Him, it was his purpose to teach Him a lesson. He intended to play a part that would make the Saviour careful thenceforth to treat him with due respect. But Judas knew not that he was giving Christ up to death. How often, as the Saviour taught in parables, the scribes and Pharisees had been carried away with His striking illustrations! How often they had pronounced judgment against themselves! Often when the truth was brought home to their hearts, they had been filled with rage, and had taken up stones to cast at Him; but again and again He had made His escape. Since He had escaped so many snares, thought Judas, He certainly would not now allow Himself to be taken. {DA 720.5}

Judas decided to put the matter to the test. If Jesus really was the Messiah, the people, for whom He had done so much, would rally about Him, and would proclaim Him king. This would forever settle many minds that were now in uncertainty. Judas would have the credit of having placed the king on David's throne. And this act would secure to him the first position, next to Christ, in the new kingdom. {DA 721.1}

The false disciple acted his part in betraying Jesus. In the garden, when he said to the leaders of the mob, "Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is He: hold Him fast" (Matthew 26:48), he fully believed that Christ would escape out of their hands. Then if they should blame him, he could say, Did I not tell you to hold Him fast? {DA 721.2}

Judas beheld the captors of Christ, acting upon his words, bind Him firmly. In amazement he saw that the Saviour suffered Himself to be led away. Anxiously he followed Him from the garden to the trial before the Jewish rulers. At every movement he looked for Him to surprise His enemies, by appearing before them as the Son of God, and setting at nought all their plots and power. But as hour after hour went by, and Jesus submitted to all the abuse heaped upon Him, a terrible fear came to the traitor that he had sold his Master to His death. {DA 721.3}

As the trial drew to a close, Judas could endure the torture of his guilty conscience no longer. Suddenly a hoarse voice rang through the hall, sending a thrill of terror to all hearts: He is innocent; spare Him, O Caiaphas! {DA 721.4}

The tall form of Judas was now seen pressing through the startled throng. His face was pale and haggard, and great drops of sweat stood on his forehead. Rushing to the throne of judgment, he threw down before the high priest the pieces of silver that had been the price of his Lord's betrayal. Eagerly grasping the robe of Caiaphas, he implored him to release Jesus, declaring that He had done nothing worthy of death. Caiaphas angrily shook him off, but was confused, and knew not what to say. The perfidy of the priests was revealed. It was evident that they had bribed the disciple to betray his Master. {DA 721.5}

"I have sinned," again cried Judas, "in that I have betrayed the innocent blood." But the high priest, regaining his self-possession, answered with scorn, "What is that to us? see thou to that." Matthew 27:4. The priests had been willing to make Judas their tool; but they despised his baseness. When he turned to them with confession, they spurned him. {DA 722.1}

Judas now cast himself at the feet of Jesus, acknowledging Him to be the Son of God, and entreating Him to deliver Himself. The Saviour did not reproach His betrayer. He knew that Judas did not repent; his confession was forced from his guilty soul by an awful sense of condemnation and a looking for of judgment, but he felt no deep, heartbreaking grief that he had betrayed the spotless Son of God, and denied the Holy One of Israel. Yet Jesus spoke no word of condemnation. He looked pityingly upon Judas, and said, For this hour came I into the world. {DA 722.2}

A murmur of surprise ran through the assembly. With amazement they beheld the forbearance of Christ toward His betrayer. Again there swept over them the conviction that this Man was more than mortal. But if He was the Son of God, they questioned, why did He not free Himself from His bonds and triumph over His accusers? {DA 722.3}

Judas saw that his entreaties were in vain, and he rushed from the hall exclaiming, It is too late! It is too late! He felt that he could not live to see Jesus crucified, and in despair went out and hanged himself. {DA 722.4}