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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Mountain Man] #92410
10/26/07 11:40 PM
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I want to pursue further on what Christ's sitting down really means, therefore, I created a new topic devoted to this from some of the posts that were once in the other topic.

More on this later when I have more time.


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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92415
10/27/07 11:38 PM
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These are the passages which use the expression "right hand":

Psalms 110:1 <<A Psalm of David.>> The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."
Matthew 22:44 ‘The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"‘?
Mark 12:36 "For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."‘
Mark 14:62 Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
Mark 16:19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Luke 20:42 "Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand,
Luke 22:69 "Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God."
Acts 2:33 "Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Acts 2:34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand,
Acts 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!"
Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Ephesians 1:20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
Colossians 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"?
Hebrews 8:1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

The question is, Should the verb be taken literally, or does it indicate Christ's position of honor as God's co-regent? 1 Peter 3:22, Romans 8:34, Acts 2:33, 5:31 don't say He is "sitting," and Stephen sees Jesus "standing at the right hand of God" (Acts 7:55, 56).

Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Rosangela] #92715
11/11/07 07:21 PM
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Rosangela for all those Bible texts. \:\)

I was going to do something like that myself. \:\)

Seeing that there are numerous references of Christ being seated, what does this sitting of Christ mean?

Do any of these texts, and maybe others not quoted by Rosangela, convey the idea that Christ literally sat down indicating that His work was finished, that He didn't have any further work to accomplish in His obvious role as our High Priest?


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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92716
11/11/07 07:35 PM
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Tall seems to think that Hebrews 10:11-12 together means that, as the Jewish priests had to stand daily and do their task, once Christ had done His task, He was able to sit down, as He only had to do His task once, whereas the Jewish priests had to attend to this daily, and, therefore, couldn't sit down, as Christ could and did.
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Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;

This is what Adam Clarke said about this in his Bible Commentary:
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Every priest standeth - The office of the Jewish priest is here compared with the office of our High Priest. The Jewish priest stands daily at the altar, like a servant ministering, repeating the same sacrifices; our High Priest offered himself once for all, and sat down at the right hand of God, as the only-begotten Son and Heir of all things, Heb_10:12. This continual offering argued the imperfection of the sacrifices. Our Lord’s once offering, proves his was complete.

I agree that Christ only needed to offer Himself once, unlike the continual offering of the animal sacrifices by the Jewish priests, however, does sitting down here mean that Christ had nothing else to do as our High Priest?


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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92717
11/11/07 07:40 PM
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As we can't determine anything by only one Bible text, which I am still questioning in light of the others that Rosangela listed, what are all these other Bible texts saying that Rosangela listed?

Are they all saying the same thing, or different things, or a different thing from what Tall seems to think Hebrews 10:11-12 is saying?


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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92720
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As Tall posted this in reference to Christ sitting down in Hebrews 10:11-13, particularly in reference to verse 12, in a publically viewable forum outside of MSDAOL, I am also quoting, what he said there, here:
 Originally Posted By: Tall73

Here again I will note the sitting down. It was in contrast with the earthly high priests' standing, offering continually. It has in view their daily activities, again and again, never actually taking away sin. They never finished.

But Christ made one sacrifice and sat down—in contrast with the priests' endless duties and standing. He sat at the right hand of God, indicating that He is reigning with him. But the author also contrasts it with the standing of the priest. Christ presented His one sacrifice and now we can approach Him boldly at the throne of grace to find help in time of need (throne of grace could also be an indirect parallel to the mercy seat). He sat down, indicating a cessation of the need to continually STAND to offer sacrifices. Obviously this does not mean that He never stands nor is it truly a physical relationship in that sense. The point is the contrast of an incomplete and finished work.


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Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92723
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The "continual burnt offering" (morning and evening sacrifices) symbolizes the eternal efficacy of Jesus' sacrifice, which is also, by nature, eternal. That is, since Jesus is eternal so is His sacrifice. It is not subject to our time and space continuum. The efficacy of His sacrifice is eternal. It (the efficacy) has no beginning or end.

The "continual burnt offering" is not, as some seem to believe, in contrast to Jesus' one time sacrifice. The whole of the sanctuary symbolizes Jesus' ministry. The continual aspect of the eternal efficacy of His sacrifice is hereby represented.

Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Mountain Man] #92724
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Regarding "sitting at the right hand" it is clear God is not bound by time and space. He is omnipresent, therefore, how can He sit in one place? Obviously, therefore, this expression is symbolic. It cannot mean Jesus has been sitting in one place since His ascension.

Surely this expression implies, as a minimum, Jesus wields the authoritative power of God in matters pertaining to salvation, judgment, and damnation. God's "right hand man", as it were.

Luke
22:69 Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.

John
5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: Daryl] #92789
11/15/07 03:17 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
 Originally Posted By: Tall73

He sat down, indicating a cessation of the need to continually STAND to offer sacrifices. Obviously this does not mean that He never stands nor is it truly a physical relationship in that sense. The point is the contrast of an incomplete and finished work.


Romans 8:34 seems to teach that Jesus is not doing nothing while at God's right hand. Whether He is sitting or standing is irrelevant. In any case, He is interceding for us.

Yes, the sacrifice is done. But there's work left to do.


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Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: What Does It Mean When The Bible Says That Christ Sat Down? [Re: asygo] #93611
12/18/07 02:31 PM
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Yes, there is still work for Christ to do as our High Priest.

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John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

When Christ said "It is finished" He was referring to His work on this Earth was completed, that all the prophecies regarding Himself in relation to the work involved in His first coming were fulfilled, that the only thing remaining was for Him to die for all of us, which was the very next thing that happened right after He uttered those words.

From the resurrection of Christ and onward, a new phase of His work was begun, that work being the work involved with Him being our High Priest.

As I said previously, Christ didn't sit down in the sense that His work was finished and He no longer had anything else to do but wait until it was time for Him to return to this Earth to resurrect and translate His people. Christ is actively working on our behalf this very day. Christ is preparing a home for us, as He stated in John 14:1-3.
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John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Christ's sitting down is obviously in reference to His function as our Saviour, Lord, King, and High Priest.


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