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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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12/13/07 05:43 PM
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Happiness is generally considered a feeling. OTOH, joy is the one that leans more toward being a principle, and it is the one listed as a fruit of the Spirit.
So, as the Christian is being sawed in half, while his joy may be full, he's probably not going to be very happy about it at the time. Joy amid sorrow is our lot in this world.
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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What do these quotes tell you?
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (King James Version)
16Rejoice evermore.
17Pray without ceasing.
18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
16Be joyful always; 17pray continually; 18give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. (NIV)
16Be happy [in your faith] and rejoice and be glad-hearted continually (always);
17Be unceasing in prayer [praying perseveringly];
18Thank [God] in everything [no matter what the circumstances may be, be thankful and give thanks], for this is the will of God for you [who are] in Christ Jesus [the Revealer and Mediator of that will]. (AMP)
Your only safety and happiness are in making Christ your constant counselor. You can be happy in Him if you had not another friend in the wide world. Your feelings of unrest and homesickness or loneliness may be for your good. Your heavenly Father means to teach you to find in Him the friendship and love and consolation that will satisfy your most earnest hopes and desires. . . . {OHC 64.2}
I have seen that those who live for a purpose, seeking to benefit and bless their fellow men and to honor and glorify their Redeemer, are the truly happy ones on the earth, while the man who is restless, discontented, and seeking this and testing that, hoping to find happiness, is always complaining of disappointment. He is always in want, never satisfied, because he lives for himself alone. Let it be your aim to do good, to act your part in life faithfully. {OHC 64.4}
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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What do these quotes tell you? They tell me that one can and must rejoice, pray, and give thanks in spite of circumstances. Nothing new at all. What do these quotes tell you? He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. (Isaiah 53:3)
It was to redeem us that Jesus lived and suffered and died. He became "a Man of Sorrows," that we might be made partakers of everlasting joy. God permitted His beloved Son, full of grace and truth, to come from a world of indescribable glory, to a world marred and blighted with sin, darkened with the shadow of death and the curse. He permitted Him to leave the bosom of His love, the adoration of the angels, to suffer shame, insult, humiliation, hatred, and death. "The chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5. Behold Him in the wilderness, in Gethsemane, upon the cross! The spotless Son of God took upon Himself the burden of sin. He who had been one with God, felt in His soul the awful separation that sin makes between God and man. This wrung from His lips the anguished cry, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Matthew 27:46. It was the burden of sin, the sense of its terrible enormity, of its separation of the soul from God--it was this that broke the heart of the Son of God. {SC 13.1}
They forget the Man of Sorrows, who was acquainted with grief. The sufferings of Jesus in Gethsemane, His sweating as it were great drops of blood in the garden, the platted crown of thorns that pierced His holy brow, do not move them. They have become benumbed. Their sensibilities are blunted, and they have lost all sense of the great sacrifice made for them. They can sit and listen to the story of the cross, hear how the cruel nails were driven through the hands and feet of the Son of God, and it does not stir the depths of the soul. {1T 155.1} One more quickie: Christ's agony did not cease, but His depression and discouragement left Him. {DA 694.1} His depression left Him. You know what that means, don't you?
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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One more quickie: Christ's agony did not cease, but His depression and discouragement left Him. {DA 694.1} His depression left Him. You know what that means, don't you? What does that mean?
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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The Thursday section in Lesson 11 shows us how to be happy, does't it, or is the lesson incomplete? It shows us how to be happy IN SPITE of circumstances, not BECAUSE of them. (Deja vu all over again...) The lesson seems complete. But it sounds like you want it to say something that it's not saying.
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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Doesn't it mean, that before His depression left Him, He was depressed? It certainly means that. The quote also said that He was discouraged. While Jesus was depressed and discouraged, does that mean that He did not have faith, or that He was not meek, or that He was not blessed? How about when He cried, "My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Can we say that the Man of Sorrows was happy all the time? In the name of making ourselves feel better, we risk losing sight of the anguish and pain our Savior suffered for our redemption.
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Arnold
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Re: Lesson Study # 10 - Meekness in the CRUCIBLE
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The Thursday section in Lesson 11 shows us how to be happy, does't it, or is the lesson incomplete? It shows us how to be happy IN SPITE of circumstances, not BECAUSE of them. (Deja vu all over again...) The lesson seems complete. But it sounds like you want it to say something that it's not saying. Exactly. Just like you seem to insist that I am saying something that I am not saying. But we do not have to keep on misunderstanding. Thanks, Arnold.
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