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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: watchbird]
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12/21/07 08:05 PM
12/21/07 08:05 PM
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Not only did this person in the removed posts claim to have communicated with and interviewed Ellen G White, but also Christ Himself.
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Daryl]
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12/21/07 08:07 PM
12/21/07 08:07 PM
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One tidbit from those removed posts is that the second coming of Christ will take place this Christmas, therefore, it shouldn't take too long to refute that one.
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Daryl]
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12/21/07 08:35 PM
12/21/07 08:35 PM
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Satan will impersonate Christ before it's all over. Wouldn't it be an eye-popper if he shows up this Christmas?
Just like EK's dreams, this causes me to ask myself: If that happens, are you ready for it?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: asygo]
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12/21/07 09:19 PM
12/21/07 09:19 PM
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If that were to actually happen, then things would progess rapidly after that with the real second coming of Jesus Christ happening soon after.
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Daryl]
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12/22/07 01:45 AM
12/22/07 01:45 AM
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Feels kind of like riding a roller coaster with old seatbelts. You get real nervous just before you go over the big crest. Then when you get to the bottom, you know who had a good hold, and who didn't.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Daryl]
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12/22/07 10:26 PM
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One tidbit from those removed posts is that the second coming of Christ will take place this Christmas, therefore, it shouldn't take too long to refute that one. I perceive that you missed the "fine print"... or the background explanatory material. They actually have covered the situations very carefully.... for all of this is based on each individual's belief system.... and only those who "believe" will see whatever happens. Others will see what they expect to happen. IOW... what we as Adventists conceive of as the "Second Coming" is quite different from what is meant by it when these groups predict it. The Urantia groups are very complex ... contorted even.... and closely related to other gnostic and neo-gnostic groups. Their basis of belief is revealed knowledge.... revelations that supercede those of scripture. At the same time that they speak of getting their knowledge from telepathic and other para-normal means, they deny that they are "channelers" or "spiritualists"... even though they use means of communication which all others who use them describe as "channeling". Like others of their genre, their beliefs sound really kooky when described by others, but they are held as (new) "gospel truth" by many who come in contact with them. Unfortunately, Adventist leadership have never made it their business to understand the things that are hiding behind the various cults, so we essentially have no comprehension of what it would take to warn against them, but think that a mere pronouncement that "they are in error" will be enough to protect the flock against them. I don't think that will be sufficient.
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: watchbird]
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12/22/07 11:13 PM
12/22/07 11:13 PM
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This is one reason why I created a topic out of the responses that were made before I discovered and removed the OP. I am not certain though that studying the counterfeit is the way to go, in the same way that studying a counterfeit twenty dollar bill isn't the way to go in distinguishing a counterfeit twenty dollar bill from a genuine twenty dollar bill. Instead, we should be studying the genuine in order to identify the counterfeit. Could this be one reason why Christ said the following? Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Verse 26 makes it clear that we shouldn't even go forth to check it out, implying that we shouldn't go forth to check out the counterfeit, but rather should stick to studying the genuine.
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Daryl]
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12/23/07 12:18 AM
12/23/07 12:18 AM
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It may not be essential for most of us to discover what heresies are rampant and attacking us, but it is essential that some of us study sufficiently to be able to warn the church.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Johann]
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12/23/07 02:25 PM
12/23/07 02:25 PM
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Re: Response & Warning Regarding Supposed Messages from Ellen White, Etc.
[Re: Johann]
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12/24/07 12:19 PM
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It may not be essential for most of us to discover what heresies are rampant and attacking us, but it is essential that some of us study sufficiently to be able to warn the church. Are you sure you mean what you are saying? Whatever happened to the idea that all should study and think for themselves? And what would the one who studied "sufficiently" warn others about? Is it enough to warn against obvious blatant errors like the writer who claimed to be in touch with the "resurrected" Ellen White claimed? How does one warn against the errors that others bring into the church.... without identifying their source... merely claiming they are "new light".... or even without making that claim... merely weaving threads of the "heresies" into their Adventist beliefs? And who is sufficiently "authoritative" to make pronouncement against these heresies.... even if they ARE correct and even if they HAVE studied sufficiently to understand for themselves why they are wrong? Should we rely on authoritarianism to keep the flock safe? What if they have had experiences such that they no longer trust the "authority" of minister or Conference leader?
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