Hello Simone,

As you probably know, some Seventh-day Adventists believe Ellen White was a prophet inspired by God the Father, Yahweh, Jehovah - The Almighty God who created all things through His Son Christ Jesus. And some even follow her advice. You are correct that her counsel has largely been eschewed, but this does not render your testimony truthful, simply because it contains factual elements. If it were possible that EGW were alive this would virtually prove her to be a false prophet. She died while strongly warning that the cornerstone of Spiritualism was the immortality of the soul, and she wrote often of the coming Sunday Law(s). Her record is now closed, though her words live on. To know what she believed, she instructed us to read her published works.

It is possible that an anointed one could appear in the next 12 days, before year's end. But based upon your testimony, this could not be Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed One of God ("How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth, with the Holy Ghost and with power" - Acts 10:38) because you claim that Satan's Rebellion has already ended. This cannot be, for even one thousand years after Christ's Second Coming, Satan still "must be loosed a little season." Revelation 20:3.

Instead, the Deceiver himself will proclaim "Peace & Safety." So if a christ appears, it will be a false christ anointed with the spirit of Satan; an anti-christ. (One who is either against, or takes the place of Christ.)

Many of your claims could be answered, but a mixture of truth & error will not deceive those who are Bible students. Some who follow Urantia are well intentioned. One man I know has built his own home off the grid, an example for those who claim these are the last days. But I will not read his books, for only the Word of God is a "discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" for "them that believe to the saving of the soul." Hebrews 4:12, 10:39.

For there is one God , and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. By His Word we are to live.

Have to agree with you, Gordon. That message starts out with a false statement. Elder Don Schneider is not, nor has he ever been the head of the whole General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. He is only the president of one of the Divisions. I think the Good Lord knows better, if He should have had anything to do with that message.

Daryl, do you find truth in this?

Why is this all even allowed to be posted here?

I guess the level of truthfullness to the OP message is at best comparable to that of the witch of Endor or the talking serpent in the tree of Eden. Or less...

I have removed those topics, as well as the OP in the topic where you replied to the now removed OP for the purpose of both issuing a warning and making a response to this sort of stuff.

This is where we can now continue to discuss and warn against such satanic nonsense.

The member who posted this stuff is now banned.

The same message and messenger popped up in another forum I'm on. Her testimony was refuted point-by-point with Scripture. She has not replied to any questions.

"Satanic nonsense" it is!

Considering the channelling/witchcraft/satanic nature of it all, I didn't think this person would have responded to any of it.

The story of Saul and the witch of Endor is a clear reason as to why we should even dialogue with such people.

Saul did an abominable thing when he inquired of the witch of Endor.

The following tells us that we are to have nothing to do with them:

The real problem with the deleted message is not simply that it is an obvious case of someone telepathically connecting with a demonic spirit... but the wider group to which this person has given references.... that of The Urantia Book... advertised as a "God's 'New Book'"... and the Urantian Movement that has been quietly growing in numbers and force over the last hundred years.

And this should be of interest to Adventists... not merely as an "Exhibit A" evidence of the growing prevalence of satanic spirit communication with humans and thus one more opportunity for those who wish to do so to point to it in a condemnatory way and dismiss it without attention or discussion because it is so "obviously" wrong... and even evil.... but ALSO because it has a little known, but very real connection to Adventism... some of which may make it very seductive to Adventist members.

Before anyone goes to examine the website to see just how they are currently "marketing" their product and philosophy, I would STRONGLY recommend that you prepare your minds by reading the 1) history of how the book came to be, 2) an analysis of both the theology and science that is "revealed" in the book, and 3) the similarities to Adventist key doctrines.... which may well be the "lures" that fisherman Satan uses to "hook" those Adventists that run into those things before they run into the blatant errors as revealed by Simone's "telepathic" tale.

All this can be done by reading one book by Martin Gardner, a professional researcher and critic of all things claimed to be supernatural but can be shown to NOT be so. He does, however, along with his healthy skepticism, which has enabled him to debunk a host of "para-normal" claims through the years, retain a basic belief that there ARE things which can be accurately labeled as "super-natural"... so he does not merely dismiss the Urantia book as "hoax"... but objectively follows every clue as to whether or not it was no more than a clever hoax or was in fact, what it claims to be... the answers to a lot of questions put to many different "entities" which claimed to be various identities from "the other side".

The name of the book is, Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery, published 1995 by Prometheus Books. Available from amazon.com, new and used. At 438 pages, it is not a book for a "quick read" or for the faint-hearted reader. It is, however, IMO, a "must read" for those who are serious about preparing themselves to meet what I believe will be increasing challenges to Christianity in general and to Adventists specifically. I would especially urge those on this list who are administrative positions in the Adventist church, to investigate this book thoroughly. If you are in GC headquarters, there is, I believe, a copy held by the EGW Estate office there. There is also one at the Andrews University library.

I should also mention that Gardner's book is not without its critics. But IMO, he is much more credible/accurate than his critics.

Not only did this person in the removed posts claim to have communicated with and interviewed Ellen G White, but also Christ Himself.

One tidbit from those removed posts is that the second coming of Christ will take place this Christmas, therefore, it shouldn't take too long to refute that one.

Satan will impersonate Christ before it's all over. Wouldn't it be an eye-popper if he shows up this Christmas?

Just like EK's dreams, this causes me to ask myself: If that happens, are you ready for it?

If that were to actually happen, then things would progess rapidly after that with the real second coming of Jesus Christ happening soon after.

Feels kind of like riding a roller coaster with old seatbelts. You get real nervous just before you go over the big crest. Then when you get to the bottom, you know who had a good hold, and who didn't.

I perceive that you missed the "fine print"... or the background explanatory material. They actually have covered the situations very carefully.... for all of this is based on each individual's belief system.... and only those who "believe" will see whatever happens. Others will see what they expect to happen. IOW... what we as Adventists conceive of as the "Second Coming" is quite different from what is meant by it when these groups predict it.

The Urantia groups are very complex ... contorted even.... and closely related to other gnostic and neo-gnostic groups. Their basis of belief is revealed knowledge.... revelations that supercede those of scripture. At the same time that they speak of getting their knowledge from telepathic and other para-normal means, they deny that they are "channelers" or "spiritualists"... even though they use means of communication which all others who use them describe as "channeling". Like others of their genre, their beliefs sound really kooky when described by others, but they are held as (new) "gospel truth" by many who come in contact with them.

Unfortunately, Adventist leadership have never made it their business to understand the things that are hiding behind the various cults, so we essentially have no comprehension of what it would take to warn against them, but think that a mere pronouncement that "they are in error" will be enough to protect the flock against them. I don't think that will be sufficient.

This is one reason why I created a topic out of the responses that were made before I discovered and removed the OP.

I am not certain though that studying the counterfeit is the way to go, in the same way that studying a counterfeit twenty dollar bill isn't the way to go in distinguishing a counterfeit twenty dollar bill from a genuine twenty dollar bill.

Instead, we should be studying the genuine in order to identify the counterfeit. Could this be one reason why Christ said the following?

Verse 26 makes it clear that we shouldn't even go forth to check it out, implying that we shouldn't go forth to check out the counterfeit, but rather should stick to studying the genuine.

It may not be essential for most of us to discover what heresies are rampant and attacking us, but it is essential that some of us study sufficiently to be able to warn the church.

I agree with that 100%.

Are you sure you mean what you are saying? Whatever happened to the idea that all should study and think for themselves? And what would the one who studied "sufficiently" warn others about? Is it enough to warn against obvious blatant errors like the writer who claimed to be in touch with the "resurrected" Ellen White claimed? How does one warn against the errors that others bring into the church.... without identifying their source... merely claiming they are "new light".... or even without making that claim... merely weaving threads of the "heresies" into their Adventist beliefs?

And who is sufficiently "authoritative" to make pronouncement against these heresies.... even if they ARE correct and even if they HAVE studied sufficiently to understand for themselves why they are wrong? Should we rely on authoritarianism to keep the flock safe? What if they have had experiences such that they no longer trust the "authority" of minister or Conference leader?

Sorry Daryl, your analogy is incorrect... which then makes your conclusion also partially incorrect.

Yes... we need to study the "genuine". And our knowledge of this is what will prepare us to recognize the "counterfeit" when we see it. But as for your analogy... it would fit much more accurately if it reflected actual life practice.

Yes, so long as there are no known counterfeit bills floating around, a professional money-handler's experience is with genuine money... and they learn both from the "feel" and from what they are taught about the specific things contained on the genuine which are the most difficult... or impossible... for a counerfeiter to copy.

BUT.... when someone notices a counterfeit bill.... things change... and change dramatically.... Here is an real life true account of how they are handled in one city which, because of its location and attraction to the "monied crowds" is also extra attractive to counterfeiters.

When such a bill is found, usually in a bank... the bank officials take the bill... photo copy it... enlarge it... and circle each of the most easily detectable details that show it to be counterfeited. Then a meeting of all employees who handle money is called, the bill is passed around among them so they can see it for themselves... at the same time that the enlarged copy is projected and explained for all to see.

The next step is to scatter copies of the enlarged and marked bill to every bank teller and cash register in the whole town.... so that everyone who handles money... whether they be an experienced clerk of ancient vintage, or temporary teen their first day on the job... can have this clearly marked counterfeit bill before them as they accept money ... either for "change" or for purchase of an object.

If we were to extend THIS analogy to false teachings and false teachers there would be some accurate transferrence from it to our situation of genuine and false doctrines. And it would enable us to more accurately evaluate what you quote below.


But your analogy does not stand. In this case Christ is identifying one "mark" of a "counterfeit" which we could use to determine whether a particular message was correct or not. In this case, the true was given in a previous verse, which was the manner of Christ's coming.... instantaneously visible from East to West with every eye being able to see him simultaneously. In contrast, there would be those who CLAIMED to be Christ and who CLAIMED to have already returned... but they would be in some secret "chambers" or remote place. In that case the admonition was to not follow them... to not believe them... all on the basis of their teachings... that they were "the Christ".

I do not think it correct to extend this generalized warning to not "follow them" nor "believe" them so far as to say not to learn what other false doctrines they were teaching so as to warn others against THOSE falsities as well as warning against their basic error.

This isn't saying that only certain ones should discover and study, but that it is essential that some of us should be doing this.

It is open for whoever feels impressed to do this. If that is everybody, then that is OK and great, however, it is essential that at least some of us do this sort of thing.

In regards to the genuine over the counterfeit, when it comes to money, there is more than one type of counterfeit money, just as there is more than one type of counterfeit anything else.

Christ referred to the sheep knowing the shepherd's voice in that we as His sheep should also know the Shepherd's voice. Christ is our Shepherd. We are His sheep. If we know the voice of the genuine Shepherd, then there's no way we can be deceived by the voice of any false shepherd, by any false Christ.

I, therefore, continue to say that we need to know and study the true as our best defence in not being deceived by the false, by the counterfeit.

We should also examine any voice we hear and compare it to the voice of the one we know, but how do we do this?

In line with the reason for the existence of this topic, how do we know that these so-called interviews are not true?

Daryl, you wrote that we should examine any voice we hear and compare it to the voice of the one we know, but when your wife calls you, you do not need to do any examination. You recognise that it is her imediately. Is it not so?
We examine the voices we recognise but cant quite put a name or face to right away.
Why I believe the interviews have nothing to do with Gods truth, when I read them I could see nothing that resonated with what I have previously learned about truth and I got nothing but a bad feeling about them.

Yes, I obviously know my wife's voice when I hear it simply because I heard her voice many, many times, however, I have never heard the audible voice of Jesus Christ, therefore, when something is said to have come from Him, seeing I never heard His voice even once, let alone many times, I need to examine what was said to be certain what was said truly came from Him.