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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: vastergotland]
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01/13/08 06:57 PM
01/13/08 06:57 PM
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Is prophecy to blame for divisions?
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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01/13/08 08:10 PM
01/13/08 08:10 PM
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In an attempt to get to the bottom of the question regarding the day-year principle, I am going to quote the following:
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PAGE 54. PROPHETIC DATES.--AN IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE IN PROPHETIC INTERPRETATION IN CONNECTION WITH TIME PROPHECIES IS THE YEAR-DAY PRINCIPLE, UNDER WHICH A DAY OF PROPHETIC TIME IS COUNTED AS A CALENDAR YEAR OF HISTORIC TIME. BEFORE THE ISRAELITES ENTERED THE LAND OF CANAAN THEY SENT TWELVE SPIES AHEAD TO INVESTIGATE. THE SPIES WERE GONE FORTY DAYS, AND UPON THEIR RETURN THE HEBREWS, FRIGHTENED AT THEIR REPORT, REFUSED TO GO UP AND OCCUPY THE PROMISED LAND. THE RESULT WAS A SENTENCE THE LORD PASSED UPON THEM: "AFTER THE NUMBER OF THE DAYS IN WHICH YE SEARCHED THE LAND, EVEN FORTY DAYS, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, SHALL YE BEAR YOUR INIQUITIES, EVEN FORTY YEARS." NUMBERS 14:34. A SIMILAR METHOD OF COMPUTING FUTURE TIME IS INDICATED THROUGH THE PROPHET EZEKIEL. FORTY YEARS OF PUNISHMENT FOR INIQUITIES AWAITED THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH. THE LORD SAID THROUGH THE PROPHET: "LIE AGAIN ON THY RIGHT SIDE, AND THOU SHALT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE HOUSE OF JUDAH FORTY DAYS: I HAVE APPOINTED THEE EACH DAY FOR A YEAR." EZEKIEL 4:6. THIS YEAR-DAY PRINCIPLE HAS AN IMPORTANT APPLICATION IN INTERPRETING THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY OF THE "TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED EVENINGS AND MORNINGS" (DANIEL 8:14, R.V.) AND THE 1260-DAY PERIOD, VARIOUSLY INDICATED AS "A TIME AND TIMES AND THE DIVIDING OF TIME" (DANIEL 7:25), THE "FORTY AND TWO MONTHS" (REVELATION 11:2; 13:5), AND THE "THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS" (REVELATION 11:3; 12:6). {GC 681.1}
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The above quoted is obviously affirming the validity of the day-year principle in relation to time prophecies in both Daniel and Revelation. It also includes the two Bible texts I have been asking about, namely Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6 bolded in the above quote.
It still doesn't answer my question in relation to whether or not this day-year principle should apply in relation to all time prophecies.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Daryl]
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01/13/08 08:25 PM
01/13/08 08:25 PM
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What I quoted from the Appendix of the GC by EGW was from what EGW said in page 54 of the GC (1911) which I am also now quoting below:
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Protestants now urge that the resurrection of Christ on Sunday made it the Christian Sabbath. But Scripture evidence is lacking. No such honor was given to the day by Christ or His apostles. The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin in that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 2:7, R.V.) which, even in Paul's day, had begun its work. Where and when did the Lord adopt this child of the papacy? What valid reason can be given for a change which the Scriptures do not sanction? {GC 54.1} In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over the entire church. Paganism had given place to the papacy. The dragon had given to the beast "his power, and his seat, and great authority." Revelation 13:2. And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7. (See Appendix.) Christians were forced to choose either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack, the fagot, or the headsman's ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus: "Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake." Luke 21:16, 17. Persecution opened upon the faithful with greater fury than ever before, and the world became a vast battlefield. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: "The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three-score days." Revelation 12:6. {GC 54.2}
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EGW, consequently, affirms the day-year principle in relation to the 1,260 day prophecy.
This, however, still doesn't yet answer my question, which is the reason why I created this topic in the first place.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Daryl]
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01/13/08 10:30 PM
01/13/08 10:30 PM
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In an attempt to get to the bottom of the question regarding the day-year principle, I am going to quote the following:
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PAGE 54. PROPHETIC DATES.--AN IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE IN PROPHETIC INTERPRETATION IN CONNECTION WITH TIME PROPHECIES IS THE YEAR-DAY PRINCIPLE, UNDER WHICH A DAY OF PROPHETIC TIME IS COUNTED AS A CALENDAR YEAR OF HISTORIC TIME. BEFORE THE ISRAELITES ENTERED THE LAND OF CANAAN THEY SENT TWELVE SPIES AHEAD TO INVESTIGATE. THE SPIES WERE GONE FORTY DAYS, AND UPON THEIR RETURN THE HEBREWS, FRIGHTENED AT THEIR REPORT, REFUSED TO GO UP AND OCCUPY THE PROMISED LAND. THE RESULT WAS A SENTENCE THE LORD PASSED UPON THEM: "AFTER THE NUMBER OF THE DAYS IN WHICH YE SEARCHED THE LAND, EVEN FORTY DAYS, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, SHALL YE BEAR YOUR INIQUITIES, EVEN FORTY YEARS." NUMBERS 14:34. A SIMILAR METHOD OF COMPUTING FUTURE TIME IS INDICATED THROUGH THE PROPHET EZEKIEL. FORTY YEARS OF PUNISHMENT FOR INIQUITIES AWAITED THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH. THE LORD SAID THROUGH THE PROPHET: "LIE AGAIN ON THY RIGHT SIDE, AND THOU SHALT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE HOUSE OF JUDAH FORTY DAYS: I HAVE APPOINTED THEE EACH DAY FOR A YEAR." EZEKIEL 4:6. THIS YEAR-DAY PRINCIPLE HAS AN IMPORTANT APPLICATION IN INTERPRETING THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY OF THE "TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED EVENINGS AND MORNINGS" (DANIEL 8:14, R.V.) AND THE 1260-DAY PERIOD, VARIOUSLY INDICATED AS "A TIME AND TIMES AND THE DIVIDING OF TIME" (DANIEL 7:25), THE "FORTY AND TWO MONTHS" (REVELATION 11:2; 13:5), AND THE "THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS" (REVELATION 11:3; 12:6). {GC 681.1}
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The above quoted is obviously affirming the validity of the day-year principle in relation to time prophecies in both Daniel and Revelation. It also includes the two Bible texts I have been asking about, namely Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6 bolded in the above quote.
It still doesn't answer my question in relation to whether or not this day-year principle should apply in relation to all time prophecies. Is not text written all in capital letters usually editors notes?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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01/13/08 11:33 PM
01/13/08 11:33 PM
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Is prophecy to blame for divisions? Not prophecy in itself, but apocalyptic prophecy which lends itself to many different and sometimes outlandish interpretations is, if not to blame, even a fertile growing ground for divisions.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: vastergotland]
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01/13/08 11:56 PM
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The passages I quoted a few posts back make it clear to me that Jesus applied Daniel's prophecy in a way that requires the day-year principle.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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01/14/08 09:07 PM
01/14/08 09:07 PM
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The passages I quoted a few posts back make it clear to me that Jesus applied Daniel's prophecy in a way that requires the day-year principle. Oops! I must have somehow missed that one! I will take another look, as that would be in addition and supportive of the two Old Testament references.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: vastergotland]
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01/14/08 09:12 PM
01/14/08 09:12 PM
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Would you guys believe it if I told you that I actually somehow missed reading a few posts in page 2 of this thread which were posted after my post there, which, in light of what was posted in page 3, makes sense? Now to go and reply directly to some of those posts I missed in page 2 of this topic.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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01/14/08 09:18 PM
01/14/08 09:18 PM
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Jesus associated Daniels prophecy with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Considering the time aspect of his prophecies it seems evident the day-year rule was applied. Otherwise, the time periods do not add up.
Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
GC 25 And the Saviour warned His followers: "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains." Matthew 24:15, 16; Luke 21:20, 21. When the idolatrous standards of the Romans should be set up in the holy ground, which extended some furlongs outside the city walls, then the followers of Christ were to find safety in flight. When the warning sign should be seen, those who would escape must make no delay. {GC 25.4}
This was an excellent post containing information that I was actually looking for, however, it still doesn't answer my question in relation to whether or not the day-year principle can be used for other and all time prophecies. Now to read Rosangela's post in relation to the question I am asking.
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Re: Does The Day-Year Principle Cover All Time Prophecies?
[Re: Rosangela]
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01/14/08 09:20 PM
01/14/08 09:20 PM
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Using the 1,000 years (millennium) as an example, if the day-year principle doesn't cover all of the time prophecies, which the example shows that it doesn't, then how do we know when to apply it and not to apply it? There are two clues that help us discern that the day-year principle should be applied to a prophecy. First, the time elements in the prophecy are often expressed in unusual ways: 2300 evenings and mornings, or evening-mornings (Dan. 8:14) A time, two times and half a time (Dan. 7:25, 12:7). Second, the word "years" is avoided. Either the word "days" (Rev. 11:3, 12:6), or "months" (Rev. 11:2, 13:5), or "weeks" (Dan. 9) is used, or the word "years" is disguised, like in Dan. 7:25, 12:7 mentioned above. Now we are getting somewhere in relation to the question that I asked. Again, how and why I missed this post is beyond my understanding!
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