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Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: gordonb1] #94599
01/13/08 10:23 PM
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 Originally Posted By: gordonb1
Hello Thomas,

Such is the very pleasure of the Father, to commune and converse with those whom He and Christ created in Their image. This is His desire yesterday, today and forever. He has little time left, but He has eternity for those who wish to share it.

Your view of God must be very impersonal and uncaring. It's a popular but sad expectation. Communion with the Father and Son is the hope of every child of God.

"As a bride adorned for her husband." Rev. 21:2.
"And God himself shall be with them" Rev. 21:3.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes" Rev. 21:4.
Gordon

Quite right you are that it is God's pleasure to have communion with all His creation, every human ever to be born. I am not aware of having said anything whatsoever indicating something different. However, if you insist on tying this communion with one physical manifestation of God, you are limiting the communion God can have with His children. It is as Jesus said that it was better for the diciples that He went to the Father in heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to earth. Jesus as an incarnate man could only be at one place at the same time and could only communicate with a limmited number of people at any one time. The Spirit on the other hand knows no such limmitations.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #94611
01/14/08 12:14 AM
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TE: First of all, based on what you've been saying previously, what you really mean is not that God is everywhere at the same time, but that God is everywhere in all times simultaneously.

MM: Both are true.

TE: Secondly, you would have to wait in line because (to express the thought as you have) *you* are not everywhere at the same time.

MM: Since both are true, I would not have to wait in line to sit on God's lap.

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94612
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Thomas, Jesus forfeited omnipresence when He became a human. The Father is still omnipresent.

Jeremiah
23:23 [Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Psalm
139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].
139:9 [If] I take the wings of the morning, [and] dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light [are] both alike [to thee].

Proverbs
15:3 The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

ED 132
The greatness of God is to us incomprehensible. "The Lord's throne is in heaven" (Psalm 11:4); yet by His Spirit He is everywhere present. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the works of His hand. (ED 132)

MH 417
The Bible shows us God in His high and holy place, not in a state of inactivity, not in silence and solitude, but surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of holy beings, all waiting to do His will. Through these messengers He is in active communication with every part of His dominion. By His Spirit He is everywhere present. Through the agency of His Spirit and His angels He ministers to the children of men. {MH 417.2}

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94619
01/14/08 06:35 AM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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Or in other words, the Father is still spirit...


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #94629
01/14/08 03:18 PM
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TE: First of all, based on what you've been saying previously, what you really mean is not that God is everywhere at the same time, but that God is everywhere in all times simultaneously.

MM: Both are true.


One is true, but this isn't even important to the point. The point is that there are two different meanings, and you expressed one meaning, which is not the one you meant.

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TE: Secondly, you would have to wait in line because (to express the thought as you have) *you* are not everywhere at the same time.

MM: Since both are true, I would not have to wait in line to sit on God's lap.


This doesn't follow any more than your original statement follows. Even if God is as you think He is, simultaneously omnipresent at all times (meaning that He is everywhere at all times and experiencing all times simultaneously), this still does not help you to sit on His lap without waiting because *you* are not simultaneously omnipresent at all times. Do you understand the point?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #94634
01/14/08 04:45 PM
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I do not have to be "simultaneously omnipresent at all times" in order to sit on God's lap in my time zone. God is with me always, everywhere. He says, I will never leave you. God being "simultaneously omnipresent at all times" does not change or alter my time zone.

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94640
01/14/08 07:28 PM
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Are you saying God has infinitely many laps?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #94643
01/14/08 08:47 PM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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Fast turning absurd, isnt it?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #94650
01/14/08 09:53 PM
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There is a cool way of looking at this. Consider spending time with Jesus, for example. As you pointed out, Thomas, as an incarnate man He can only be with one person at a time. Given that there will be a vast number of humans, and uncountable numbers of other beings, all of which would like to meet with Jesus, it could appear that we wouldn't be able to do so. But, eternity is infinite! So even if we only able to spend one day with Jesus every 1,000,000 years, after 365 trillion years, that would still amount to a million years! (assuming I did the math right). And with memories not deteriorated by sin, each encounter will stay fresh in the mind.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #100030
06/17/08 06:22 AM
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i am new want to take part but dont know.please help me.God blees

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