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Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95030
01/28/08 07:15 PM
01/28/08 07:15 PM
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Asygo, this was not about grammar. You have all the data you need. Just read your Bible.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95059
01/29/08 04:10 PM
01/29/08 04:10 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Darius
Asygo, this was not about grammar. You have all the data you need. Just read your Bible.

Darius, you said, "The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon."

From what Bible verse did you draw that opinion? Please give your reference.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95060
01/29/08 04:28 PM
01/29/08 04:28 PM
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 Originally Posted By: fun2believe
"Perhaps someday you will realize that you do not measure up to the standards you set for others"

If ever I heard someone judge another, it is with that statement.

Here's what Darius said (to which you agreed, BTW): "I prefer to be driven by scholarship rather then sectarian biases."

I was checking the quality of Darius' scholarship, which he implied is superior to our "sectarian biases." So far, he has only shown that he is driven by his own biases, not data. So much for his so-called scholarship.

 Originally Posted By: fun2believe
How proper of you to look down on others, while puffing yourself up.

You have judged that I puff myself up as I look down on others. I took Darius' statement, and tested him to see if he met his own requirements. From that, you have determined my motives.

Are you being fair? Have you read my heart accurately?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #95061
01/29/08 04:46 PM
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 Originally Posted By: asygo
 Originally Posted By: Darius
Asygo, this was not about grammar. You have all the data you need. Just read your Bible.

Darius, you said, "The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon."

From what Bible verse did you draw that opinion? Please give your reference.
There exists a bibleverse which speaks about mormon polygamy? Interesting...


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: vastergotland] #95065
01/29/08 07:45 PM
01/29/08 07:45 PM
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Arnold, you are very funny.


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No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95079
01/30/08 03:59 PM
01/30/08 03:59 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Darius
Arnold, you are very funny.

That's true. But that statement of fact has no bearing on your assertion re: Mormon polygamy. That's still flailing in the wind, without any foundation other than you said so.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #95095
01/31/08 07:13 PM
01/31/08 07:13 PM
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Asygo,

I did not judge you to be puffing, I'm stating in fact that's what you are doing. Read your own words. I've read your words, as that's all I'm able to read, not your heart, since I don't have the ability to do that. However, your words speak volumes about who you are, so choose them wisely.

And in case you hadn't noticed, life is not fair, that was ruined when the forbidden fruit was eaten!

But I'm sure you know that already, I don't even need to say that. Life is complex, as we are, as is our society and our religion. There's nothing fair, easy, or simple about this life. That's why we need to HURRY up and get to heaven. This world is ruined with our sin, so let's speed up the works on getting us out of here, can we?

I just want to Priase God everyday, in everything I do. I'm not perfect, a sinner just like everyone else, just trying to do the Lord's work. I'm doing all I can for God, just as He has asked.

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95099
01/31/08 07:41 PM
01/31/08 07:41 PM
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Asygo,

Now when Darius said that bit about the problem with polygamy, he said what "the" problem was. How does that relate to his wife? In fact, what does that have to do with anything, othen than a problem he see's with polygamy. This statement is not about how HIS wife feels about polygamy, it's not about how YOUR wife would feel about it, or anything else even close to that. He merely stated, a problem, obviously one he see's as a problem.

Realistically (IMHO), there are MANY problems with the idea of polygamy. Just one of them being that young girls are preyed upon, before they have the ability to make a clear CHOICE on their own. There are a whole host of other problems, like jealousy, time spent with each, jealousy, money, jealousy, housing, jealousy, [censored] deviation, jealousy, etc.,etc.,etc.
If you hadn't noticed, (IMHO) most women have ISSUES with jealousy, especially when it comes to their mate.

It seems like we like to attack each other here, instead of attacking the issues. I'm just as guilty of it as the next person. In fact, I've not even watched the video. But I can see that some people are looking at, investigating, and talking about the issues brought up in this thread, and then there are others that only want to attack the responses of those who have given their 2cents worth.

I think it's fun to be scholarly, and look into things, to dig for information about something in question. I think it's fun to believe. I think it's fun to Priase God. I think it's fun to pray, as that's how I communicate with God.

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95127
02/01/08 05:03 PM
02/01/08 05:03 PM
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 Originally Posted By: fun2believe
Now when Darius said that bit about the problem with polygamy, he said what "the" problem was. How does that relate to his wife? In fact, what does that have to do with anything, othen than a problem he see's with polygamy. This statement is not about how HIS wife feels about polygamy, it's not about how YOUR wife would feel about it, or anything else even close to that. He merely stated, a problem, obviously one he see's as a problem.

No. He did not state "a" problem; he made an assertion as to "the major" problem. Here's the quote:
 Originally Posted By: Darius
The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon.

You said this in another thread:
 Quote:
There's nothing factual about that statemnt. There's no reference for that statement, no data to prove this, it's quite an outlandish statement.

That's exactly the standard I'm asking Darius to meet, especially in light of his claims to superior scholarship. Strangely, in this thread, you are defending his complete lack of data. Makes one wonder about your motivations.

 Originally Posted By: fun2believe
If you hadn't noticed, (IMHO) most women have ISSUES with jealousy, especially when it comes to their mate.

Have you read what I wrote? That's exactly what I've been saying. And that's exactly what Darius has not been saying.

Yet, even when your idea opposes his, you defend his non-factual statements. Why is that?

More thought provoking than that is that while he likes to esteem himelf better than everyone else, especially with his so-called scholarship, and considers others' beliefs as just sectarian opinions, you have nothing but commendation for him. Why does he have immunity from the standards you place on the rest of us? You seem to have unspoken presuppositions that place Darius above reproach. That requires careful consideration.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #95128
02/01/08 05:23 PM
02/01/08 05:23 PM
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Arnold, I deliberately waited to see how you would respond to fun2believe. Anyone who insists that "the major problem" is different from "a problem" cannot be reasoned with.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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