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Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95141
02/02/08 05:53 AM
02/02/08 05:53 AM
asygo  Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Darius
Arnold, I deliberately waited to see how you would respond to fun2believe. Anyone who insists that "the major problem" is different from "a problem" cannot be reasoned with.

"A problem" with pancreatic cancer is loss of appetite; "the major problem" with pancreatic cancer is death. That's just one of countless examples. Anyone who insists that "a problem" is the same as "the major problem" is unreasonable. Obviously, I don't.

Darius, do you believe that "a problem" is the same as "the major problem"?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #95162
02/02/08 07:39 PM
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A major problem implies a minor problem, hence it is a problem. Here endeth the lesson.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95171
02/03/08 12:45 AM
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Ah yes, "the major problem" would indeed mean there are other problems, otherwise, there could be no "major", without a "minor, or "minor's".

The reality as I see it, is that there are MANY problems with polygamy. It's just a matter of how many problems, and in what order of importance. And those are matters that you can only define for youself. Unless you are deemed the person to interpet the issue for others.

I think we can all agree that polygamy causes a whole host of problems. Maybe we should each pick out "a single" problem, the one thing that "irks" us the most, and then list them here. That way we would know what other's feel about the issue, and we can see the light though other's eyes.

I'll start.

"A" problem that I see with polygamy is that it only goes one way. Why can't women have many husbands. This policy seems at the very least, [censored].

Now it's your turn to list "A" problem that "YOU" find with polygamy. This way we talk about the issue, and stop arguing about the words we use to describe these issues.

May God bless each and every one of you as you seek the answer's to our collective problems.

Last edited by fun2believe; 02/03/08 01:13 AM.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95183
02/03/08 03:44 PM
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Some cultures do practice polyandry. Neither polygamy nor polyandry can be a problem is all parties engage voluntarily. Where it is required, especially for salvation of one side there will be abuses.


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No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95187
02/03/08 06:11 PM
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I would agree with that. If either one is "required" for anything, "I" think there will be problems.

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95190
02/03/08 06:16 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Darius
A major problem implies a minor problem, hence it is a problem. Here endeth the lesson.

Well, had you started with that brilliant piece of logic, I would have immediately realized how much support you had for your assertions. Thank you for the lesson. I have learned.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95198
02/03/08 07:15 PM
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 Originally Posted By: fun2believe
Maybe we should each pick out "a single" problem

A problem is commitment and competition. With so many spouses available, there will be competition with each other. And with so many to choose from, there will be a lack of commitment. Why fix a problem with ______ when ______ is just down the hall?

This problem will happen regardless of which spouse must compete. But it is less likely to happen with multiple husbands, since they are more likely to kill each other, leaving only one.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #95200
02/03/08 07:20 PM
02/03/08 07:20 PM
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Yes, statistically, men commit more murders than women.

I agree, those are both problems. But you could still fix a problem with ___________ even though ____________ is down the hall waiting for you. It's not a guarantee that you'll just move on to the next one, but it is a greater likelyhood in my opinion.

And thanks for the great post, that's the stuff I was talking about. Let's really look at issues such as those, so we can objectively asses what's going on. I always enjoy reading your post's, even if we don't always agree. Thankfully we can agree to not agree on some issues, and just agree on others \:\)

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #95204
02/03/08 09:31 PM
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The argument of lack of commitment assumes that the participants are not committed to the arrangement. We cannot discuss polygamy objectively with an anti-polygamy mentality.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #95207
02/03/08 10:33 PM
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Good point Darius. We can't say weather they are "committed" to each other or not, or even how committed they are. But I think it's fair to say that if they are in a relationship, that they would be committed. Now, surely we all know that just because you are in a relationship it does not guarantee that you are committed to it. You may be in it for other reasons, money, power, protection of self or children are just a few examples that I can think of.

I also agree that we have to be able to look at something from as many angles as possible, to be as objective as possible.

So, do we need to do more research on this issue? Should we have the input of someone who is actively involved in a poly relationship? Or is just one video enough for us to cast judgement on something?

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