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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/15/09 05:23 PM
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Kland, In order to be consistent, you should have included genetically modified vegetables which are in the food chain. Any reason you left those out? I'm not sure why you would think genetically modified vegetables would not be included? If you think there should be an inclusive list, aren't there quite a few additional things you could have listed? I was trying to say that our health was being attacked from any and all angles as much as the Sabbath has been and will be. I'm sorry that wasn't clear. Thanks for pointing it out. In fact, the genetically modified vegetables is very much related to the CDC experiments with attempting to create the swine flu and others as from my recombinomics reference, if you think through it.
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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/15/09 05:57 PM
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k: Do you eat meat? v: the answer is: sometimes.
Why? Never is a very strong word to use. Perhaps this was true in Ellens day, maybe, but I do not think you could be both honest and informed and accept this as true today. Maybe that's why. You have decided Ellen White is irrelevant for today. If your child has a fever, do you give him/her an aspirin or do you stick to principle and refrain? No. Use of water works wonders. Aspirin masks the symptoms. Though, I may consider giving him willow bark. If he/she is biten by a rattlesnake, do you take him/her to hospital to get an antivenom or do you stick to principle and do nothing while the poison does its work? No. Rattlesnakes rarely give a lethal dose. Usually they give what's called "dry bites". Injecting horse serum or what not only opens them up for much worse problems. A recombinomics reference seems fresh in my mind. Charcoal works wonders. If your child gets a blood poisoning, do you take him/her to hospital where they will get an antibiotic or do you stick to principle and keep your child at home? If it was a virus, antibiotics would do no good. Depending upon the circumstances, I may to help relieve the symptoms realizing it would not cure the problem. Of course, why did it occur in the first place? Maybe there is a bigger problem which should not have happened. If your child has a appendicitis, do you take him/her to hospital where different drugs will surely be part of the treatment or do you keep him/her at home waiting for come whatever may? What do you recommend - remove a "useless" body organ? I wouldn't. Again, why the situation, and charcoal, hot and cold water treatments, various other natural treatments would work wonders. How strong are your principles? Sounds like stronger than some. But all of what I've said sounds rather off the wall and foreign to you, doesn't it? You have discounted Ellen White and called her irrelevant for today. We are approaching things from two completely different perspectives. If you live like the Egyptians, you will suffer the diseases of the Egyptians. You can justify it all you want, and you can blame God for the results of the choices. But, that doesn't change the cause and effect. Obviously, what I say won't change your mind. Best thing I can suggest is for you to do your own research. Find a scientific study (not to be confused with correlations) which determines the effectiveness of vaccinations. Not a news media piece, but one with materials, methods, procedure, results. Or, if you can't find one, consider how one would go about setting up such an experiment. Your future health depends upon it.
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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/15/09 06:21 PM
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k: Do you eat meat? v: the answer is: sometimes.
Why? Because finding both good and vegetarian food at restaurants may be quite a hassle. Never is a very strong word to use. Perhaps this was true in Ellens day, maybe, but I do not think you could be both honest and informed and accept this as true today. Maybe that's why. You have decided Ellen White is irrelevant for today. Now you are generalizing again. I only said that Ellens advice on this particular question is likely outdated. I said nothing about her work on other topics here. If your child has a fever, do you give him/her an aspirin or do you stick to principle and refrain? No. Use of water works wonders. Aspirin masks the symptoms. Though, I may consider giving him willow bark. And why would you give him willow bark? The active substance is the same. Is there something about the methods of extracting it from the bark that makes it unacceptable to you? If it is merely a question of drugs, willow bark should be out of question aswell, if you are a purist in your antidrug principle. If he/she is biten by a rattlesnake, do you take him/her to hospital to get an antivenom or do you stick to principle and do nothing while the poison does its work? No. Rattlesnakes rarely give a lethal dose. Usually they give what's called "dry bites". Injecting horse serum or what not only opens them up for much worse problems. A recombinomics reference seems fresh in my mind. Charcoal works wonders. What about other kinds of snakes, who dont bite for scare? How would you apply charcoal? Poison injected through a snakebite would be expected to go into the bloodstream, while charcoal would stay on the skin or in the stumach. So I am interested in how it would work wonders for this particular malady? If your child gets a blood poisoning, do you take him/her to hospital where they will get an antibiotic or do you stick to principle and keep your child at home? If it was a virus, antibiotics would do no good. Depending upon the circumstances, I may to help relieve the symptoms realizing it would not cure the problem. Of course, why did it occur in the first place? Maybe there is a bigger problem which should not have happened. One way of attracting blood poisoning is by getting deep wounds from rusty iron. For instance by stepping on a rusty spike. If your child has a appendicitis, do you take him/her to hospital where different drugs will surely be part of the treatment or do you keep him/her at home waiting for come whatever may? What do you recommend - remove a "useless" body organ? I wouldn't. Again, why the situation, and charcoal, hot and cold water treatments, various other natural treatments would work wonders. The organ isn't useless, unless of course it bursts through the infection and kills you with intestinal fauna. Dead people have no use of organs. Would you take the risk? How strong are your principles? Sounds like stronger than some. But all of what I've said sounds rather off the wall and foreign to you, doesn't it? You have discounted Ellen White and called her irrelevant for today. We are approaching things from two completely different perspectives. If you live like the Egyptians, you will suffer the diseases of the Egyptians. You can justify it all you want, and you can blame God for the results of the choices. Why would I blame God? But, that doesn't change the cause and effect.
Obviously, what I say won't change your mind.
Best thing I can suggest is for you to do your own research. Find a scientific study (not to be confused with correlations) which determines the effectiveness of vaccinations. Not a news media piece, but one with materials, methods, procedure, results. Or, if you can't find one, consider how one would go about setting up such an experiment.
Your future health depends upon it.
You make it sound like your choises above are supported by published scientific articles. But you have yet to refer to any such material. Why?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/15/09 09:42 PM
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Now you are generalizing again. I only said that Ellens advice on this particular question is likely outdated. I said nothing about her work on other topics here. Again? Whether you are now generalizing or I am, I was referring to the topic you were. But, how do you decide which topic she is "right" on and which one she isn't? When did her advice become outdated? When they shipped her off to Australia? You make it sound like your choises above are supported by published scientific articles. But you have yet to refer to any such material. Why? If I am hearing you correctly, you are saying I cannot support my choice of the null hypothesis through published scientific articles? Or are you merely saying that my choice to believe Ellen White is wrong?
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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/15/09 11:51 PM
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I'm not sure why you would think genetically modified vegetables would not be included? If you think there should be an inclusive list, aren't there quite a few additional things you could have listed? I was trying to say that our health was being attacked from any and all angles as much as the Sabbath has been and will be. I'm sorry that wasn't clear. Thanks for pointing it out.
In fact, the genetically modified vegetables is very much related to the CDC experiments with attempting to create the swine flu and others as from my recombinomics reference, if you think through it.
Because your premise is based largely on meat eating, junk food is thrown in there and refined sugars, but how many SDA's are aware of GMO found in cereals, baking materials, vegetables, beverages etc. Its like trying to lead someone into an ambush. I agree about the ills of vaccination, and fortunately youc an choose to do what you want. The reason you don't hear many SDA's talking about GMO foods is cause there is no one educating on the ills of it. Of course you see soy laden foods at potluck, and plastic storage containers which are hormone disruptor's i.e. leaks estrogen into the male body. It comes off as not being honest the way you presented your topic. God Bless, -Will
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Re: Your health is under attack!
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09/16/09 04:09 AM
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Now you are generalizing again. I only said that Ellens advice on this particular question is likely outdated. I said nothing about her work on other topics here. Again? Whether you are now generalizing or I am, I was referring to the topic you were. But, how do you decide which topic she is "right" on and which one she isn't? When the world which she was commenting on is no longer comparable with the one we live in now. Drugs used 200 years ago share little resemblence with the ones used today. For instance, today we require that they do not cause the things which she spoke against. When did her advice become outdated? When they shipped her off to Australia? You make it sound like your choises above are supported by published scientific articles. But you have yet to refer to any such material. Why? If I am hearing you correctly, you are saying I cannot support my choice of the null hypothesis through published scientific articles? Or are you merely saying that my choice to believe Ellen White is wrong? I am merely asking why you have not done so already? Considering your claim to be able to do it.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Your health is under attack!
[Re: Will]
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09/16/09 04:12 AM
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I'm not sure why you would think genetically modified vegetables would not be included? If you think there should be an inclusive list, aren't there quite a few additional things you could have listed? I was trying to say that our health was being attacked from any and all angles as much as the Sabbath has been and will be. I'm sorry that wasn't clear. Thanks for pointing it out.
In fact, the genetically modified vegetables is very much related to the CDC experiments with attempting to create the swine flu and others as from my recombinomics reference, if you think through it.
Because your premise is based largely on meat eating, junk food is thrown in there and refined sugars, but how many SDA's are aware of GMO found in cereals, baking materials, vegetables, beverages etc. Its like trying to lead someone into an ambush. I agree about the ills of vaccination, and fortunately youc an choose to do what you want. The reason you don't hear many SDA's talking about GMO foods is cause there is no one educating on the ills of it. Of course you see soy laden foods at potluck, and plastic storage containers which are hormone disruptor's i.e. leaks estrogen into the male body.It comes off as not being honest the way you presented your topic. God Bless, -Will Am interested in reading support for this claim aswell.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Your health is under attack!
[Re: Will]
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09/16/09 11:31 AM
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Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Your health is under attack!
[Re: Will]
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09/16/09 11:46 AM
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Because your premise is based largely on meat eating, junk food is thrown in there and refined sugars, but how many SDA's are aware of GMO found in cereals, baking materials, vegetables, beverages etc. Its like trying to lead someone into an ambush. I agree about the ills of vaccination, and fortunately youc an choose to do what you want. The reason you don't hear many SDA's talking about GMO foods is cause there is no one educating on the ills of it. Of course you see soy laden foods at potluck, and plastic storage containers which are hormone disruptor's i.e. leaks estrogen into the male body.
It comes off as not being honest the way you presented your topic. God Bless, -Will Sorry, I must not have been clear. My premise was that our health was under attack. In any and all directions. I don't see how you can say, "based largely on meat eating" with other items thrown in. I only mentioned meat once. I did mention vaccines many times. If you had said, based largely against vaccinations, I would agree. Do you eat meat? I had thought GMOs were well known. But then, maybe you could say that is my premise, that if we are still doing the things we have been told not to do for over 100 years, how can we be aware of current things that are causing problems? I noticed you did not mention microwaving food. Especially with plastic. Would that give me a right to call you dishonest?
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