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Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Perhaps He loves each person in a different way... Did He love to be with the pharisees? And did He love to be with Martha, Mary and Lazarus? Food for thought.
Among the most steadfast of Christ's disciples was Lazarus of Bethany. From their first meeting his faith in Christ had been strong; his love for Him was deep, and he was greatly beloved by the Saviour. It was for Lazarus that the greatest of Christ's miracles was performed. The Saviour blessed all who sought His help; He loves all the human family; but to some He is bound by peculiarly tender associations. His heart was knit by a strong bond of affection to the family at Bethany, and for one of them His most wonderful work was wrought. {ML 208.3}
At the home of Lazarus, Jesus had often found rest. The Saviour had no home of His own; He was dependent on the hospitality of His friends and disciples; and often, when weary, thirsting for human fellowship, He had been glad to escape to this peaceful household, away from the suspicion and jealousy of the angry Pharisees. Here He found a sincere welcome, a pure, holy friendship. Here He could speak with simplicity and perfect freedom, knowing that His words would be understood and treasured. {ML 208.4}
Our Saviour appreciated a quiet home and interested listeners. He longed for human tenderness, courtesy, and affection. Those who received the heavenly instruction He was always ready to impart were greatly blessed.... The multitudes were slow of hearing, and in the home at Bethany Christ found rest from the weary conflict of public life. Here He opened to an appreciative audience the volume of Providence. In these private interviews He unfolded to His hearers that which He did not attempt to tell to the mixed multitude. He needed not to speak to His friends in parables.{ML 208.5}
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
[Re: Rosangela]
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I think we, as humans, have a great deal of difficulty understanding agape. No doubt, Jesus enjoyed the company of His friends more than that of the Pharisees. But Jesus loved the Pharisees, and when one responded, like Simon or Nicodemus, my guess is that His joy was unbounded, even greater than passing time with His friends, whom He already knew had accepted Him.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. As a human being, this seems impossible. It's hard enough to love those we love! (if you know what I mean).
One of the principles of agape is that it creates value in its object. We love because we perceive value in the one we love; attractive, kind, good sense of humor, similar values/goals to ourselves; whatever. But agape loves not because of perceive value, but because it's agape. Agape can reach to a person in the gutter, and perceive value, a person for whom Christ died, and reach out and touch that person.
I'm reminded of a story of a preacher, whose meeting was interrupted by a drunk who came in late and was disrupting things. The preacher approached the drunkard after the meeting, and said he appreciated his coming by, and invited him to come back. The drunkard did come back, this time sober, and was seated in the front. The preacher spoke of God's love, and the drunkard's heart was melted, not having heard of God's being presented in such a positive way.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God loves faithfulness and hates unfaithfulness. Nevertheless, He loves saints and sinners equally. However, like Jesus, I choose to love everyone but I refuse to hang out with my enemies. Therefore, it doesn't require as much effort to love my enemies as it does to love my family and friends. Sometimes loving my family and friends can be extremely difficult.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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I still think God loves each of His creatures in a different way. You agapao an enemy, but you can only fileo a friend.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Does God love with agape those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God is love; consequently, how can He love anyone more or less? I don't think He can. His love is unconditional and boundless. No one can anything good or bad to increase or decrease God's love for them. Thank you, Jesus!
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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I still think God loves each of His creatures in a different way. You agapao an enemy, but you can only fileo a friend. This begs the question: Does God agapao me, or fileo me?
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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R:I still think God loves each of His creatures in a different way. You agapao an enemy, but you can only fileo a friend.
J:This begs the question: Does God agapao me, or fileo me? This is an interesting question. Can God only love someone with fileo who is His friend?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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This begs the question: Does God agapao me, or fileo me? Both, I believe.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Phileo has to do with the love of a family. Philadelphia, for example, the city of brotherly love, has its roots from "phileo".
So if we are members of the family of God, sons of God (and brothers/sisters of Christ), how could God not love us with phileo?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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charity [agape] "never fails" (1Cor 13:8).
A structure will fail if it bears too much burden, if it wears out, or if it is attacked. But not so with the love of God. That love never fails, regardless of external provocation.
God's love has not 'failed', not even toward the most personal of His enemies.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God's love has never failed for God is love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Matthew 5:45 (45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Romans 6:16 (16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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That's a good one, Peter. I think this is a way that a heathen could learn of God's character from nature, a way that Psalm 19 occurs ("There is no place where His voice is not heard," to paraphrase).
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God loves us all.
Though billions of rebels were to issue from Adam's loins, the Father and Son made a pact from the foundation of the earth.
Christ would come to our planet to save the race, should Adam sin.
God so loved the world that He sent His Only Begotten Son.
That we might not perish, but have everlasting life. _____________________________________________
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God showers His goodness upon the just & the unjust, for His goodness leads us to repentance. (Romans 2:4)
Repentance is required - a revocation of our former service to Satan (self, selfishness, the world) and our conversion (change) to the service of God and Christ. Such testimony will freely spring from the heart. God will fully support and endorse His obedient subjects.
God will not strengthen the hands of those in rebellion, though He tempers Satan's control over the rebel, that He (Jehovah) may be glorified, as with the Pharaoh of Exodus. _____________________
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Have you all come to a conclusion regarding whether God loved the faithful more than He loved the unfaithful?
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Jesus loves everyone equally. However, He loves it more when people embrace salvation. He hates it when people neglect or reject salvation.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Only God and Christ can fully sympathize with sinful man.
Only the Father and Son can both understand and love the sinner.
The man who sins is simply following the natural path (the nature) he received from Adam. This fallen nature is why God sent His Son, an expression of His Love for His creation.
The greatest sinners need the most love, patience and understanding.
These are invariably the clergy of the day who are preaching the message but not living it. They are condemned by their own hypocrisy and would crucify Christ again if they could.
Jesus knows this, but in love He calls them to repent.
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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It depends how you look at the subject, did Jesus and His Father love Lucifer? They did until Satan proved he was completely lost, then because of the hate Satan manifested for everything about God, Satan had to be cut off. What is even a greater subject relative to this is, how can our Father who has been perfect in love, love even more? But the bible shows that the love He has for His son has grown even more intense since He did what He did for us. Perfection is not static but grows to higher heights forever. Here is something to think on... "When we seek for appropriate language in which to describe the love of God, we find words too tame, too weak, too far beneath the theme, and we lay down our pen and say, “No, it cannot be described.” We can only do as did the beloved disciple, and say, “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God.” [1 John 3:1.] In attempting any description of this love, we feel that we are as infants lisping their first words. Silently we may adore; for silence in this matter is the only eloquence. This love is past all language to describe. It is the mystery of God in the flesh, God in Christ, and divinity in humanity. Christ bowed down in unparalleled humility, that in his exaltation to the throne of God, he might also exalt those who believe in him, to a seat with him upon his throne. All who look upon Jesus in faith that the wounds and bruises that sin has made will be healed in him, shall be made whole. {CE 77.1} The themes of redemption are momentous themes, and only those who are spiritually minded can discern their depth and significance. It is our safety, our life, our joy, to dwell upon the truths of the plan of salvation. Faith and prayer are necessary in order that we may behold the deep things of God. Our minds are so bound about with narrow ideas, that we catch but limited views of the experience it is our privilege to have. How little do we comprehend what is meant by the prayer of the apostle, when he says, “That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his spirit in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height, and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.” [Ephesians 3:16-21.]—The Review and Herald, November 17, 1891. {CE 77.2}
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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God loves everyone and wants them to accept His gift of salvation and be saved. However, there is a difference.
Those who love and follow Him are loved with a joyous love. It brings joy and gladness to the heart of God. In fact all of heaven rejoices over every sinner that turns to God and follows Him.
Those who reject and turn from Him are loved with a sad love, that hurts deeply. Why will you die, the Savior pleads with tears, turn from your sinful ways, come unto Me, the fount of salvation and be saved, for why will you die?
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Re: Does God love those who are faithful to Him more than those who are not?
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Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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