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You are making the assumption that at Jesus’ 2nd coming we will go to heaven. You could be wrong. This is not biblically founded. There is an overwhelming biblical references that the overcomers and the rest of the nations will remain on earth. Here’s a few references :
Rev 20:4,6 “…they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him for a Thousand years.” Rev 5:10 “…And hast made us unto our God Kings and priest; and we shall reign on the earth”
How do you see Rev 5 connected to Rev 20 and how do you see them referring to the same time period?
Both texts (Rev 5 & 20) are talking about the work of God making this group of people(the Overcomers or the Saints) Kings and Priests that have the right to reign with Christ(the High Priest) on the earth after the fall of Babylon.
This is a wide spread Biblical theme that God's people will inherit the earth. Daniel interpretated prophecies makes it very clear what will happen after all those beastly kingdom's ruling time is over :
Dn 2:35 "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."
Dn 2:44 "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kindoms, and it shall stand for ever."
Dn 7:22 "Until the Ancient of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom." Which kingdom? The Kingdom of the earth that the other Beastly Kings ruled prior.
Dn 7:27 "And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven[meaning on earth],shall be given to the people of the saintsof the most High whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom..."
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: elle
Now let's assume that everyone will remain on earth after the fall of Mystery Babylon(Rothschild Empire).
Now if, after the fall of Babylon, the world decides to recognize gold and silver as solid currency and use this as collateral for backing their new banking system, then those people who have transferred their savings from the “old Babylonian system” to what the new economical system recognizes as trust worthy collateral by buying gold and silver, they will not suffer any lost. Those that has not done so will end up with paper that is no longer recognized as having value.
Whaa-a-a-a ? Whether you can support not going to heaven is one thing, but I'd be entertained to see you support gold, silver, or any other monetary currency being of use after the fall of Babylon. Along with that, the idea some will be out of luck while reigning with Jesus. That is reeally weird. The JW I was talking to didn't even say anything about currency.
Silver and Gold has always been the reliable currencies of the past because of its reliability, low wear, easily stored, doesn't decay, etc...).
I'm not saying that trading will only be done via gold and silver. Commodities(food, services, etc...) can be traded between individual also.
As far as I'm reading and understanding, the White Dragon Empire with the 140 allied countries has been telling each country of the world to make their own new currency. Very soon(sometime this September??), there will be like 40 countries or so that will make available their new currencies with a Re-evaluation depending on the counties assets and resources. Their old currency(printed and marked by the Rothschild) will be discarded. Most banks and financial firms are bankrupted having over 700 Trillions derivatives. They are walking deads (zombies) and have been proven to be not trust worthy.
All new created currencies will need to be backed by something real -- like gold or resources. Don't know how exactly it will pan out, but for sure gold is the main backup standard. China and other countries has been buying and stocking up on gold to back their new currency.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#145122 09/08/1206:38 AM09/08/1206:38 AM
dedication Global Moderator Supporting Member 2022
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Both texts (Rev 5 & 20) are talking about the work of God making this group of people(the Overcomers or the Saints) Kings and Priests that have the right to reign with Christ(the High Priest) on the earth after the fall of Babylon.
The two texts are not speaking of the same time.
Rev. 5 is of Christ's sacrifice (as a Lamb as it was slain) being accepted in heaven after His ascension and He is given the scroll and begins His heavenly redemptive work. The 24 elders and the four living creatures proclaim that He is worthy and praise Him for His great sacrifice of redemption.
It is the 24 elders saying they are made priests and kings unto God.
The expression was already made in Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 1:6 And has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Here's John writing this message from Jesus, and already saying that He has made us kings and priests unto God.
Quote:
This is a wide spread Biblical theme that God's people will inherit the earth. Daniel interpretated prophecies makes it very clear what will happen after all those beastly kingdom's ruling time is over :
Of course -- We believe that after the 1000 years the earth will be renewed and restored. And God's people will inherit the earth.
You quote Daniel.
But is ancient Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Rome all present at the second coming? How can the image be destroyed and blown away like chafe if they aren't even present?
Yet there is a time when all those great kings with their armies will be present. And it is AFTER the 1000 years. When the "rest of the dead" are raised and march on the Holy City, then history will meet the future. All those mighty generals with their armies that made the earth tremble as they conquered and subdued nations will unite in an army like the sands of the sea with the intent of tearing God from His thrown and taking the Holy City. (See Rev. 20)
This is the last great rebellion the WHOLE IMAGE makes against God.
Dn 2:35 "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: dedication]
#145123 09/08/1206:45 AM09/08/1206:45 AM
dedication Global Moderator Supporting Member 2022
5500+ Member
White dragons??? Why follow the advice of dragons?
Once Christ comes we won't NEED ANY currency. The streets of the city are paved with gold, the gates are pearls, the foundations made of precious stones, why would we need to hoard gold? Or worry about any currency???
In the last days,
Ez. 7:19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: dedication]
#145128 09/08/1210:47 AM09/08/1210:47 AM
White dragons??? Why follow the advice of dragons?
Whether you like it or not, the Lord is using the White dragon Empire(a Chinese origin family Dynasty) and the 140 countries that are allied with them to bring down the current Rothschild Empire that is currently ruling this world. This is reality and the current wars happening in this world.
The Rothschild Dynasty has stollen the gold of the White Dragon Empire. Therefore, the White Dragon Empire has a right to pursue the Cabal thiefs. That's what the court Liens filing against the Banks is all about. This is their trunk card to get the Cabal legally down.
Plus these events are in harmony with Biblical prophecies and the TYPE. The White Dragon Empire and these Asians countries allies are "the Kings of the East", mention in Revelation and also given as TYPE in the Fall of the Old Babylonian Empire.
Originally Posted By: dedication
Once Christ comes we won't NEED ANY currency. The streets of the city are paved with gold, the gates are pearls, the foundations made of precious stones, why would we need to hoard gold? Or worry about any currency???
Just like Kland and most of Christendom, you are making the assumption that we will go to heaven when Jesus comes. That is yet to be biblically proven in the discussion here .
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#145367 09/21/1211:36 AM09/21/1211:36 AM
A FEDERAL Court judge has ruled that investment bank Lehman Brothers is liable for millions of dollars of losses incurred by Australians as a result of failed investments. A group of 72 councils, charities, churches and private investors sued Lehman Brothers for $248 million, claiming the now defunct investment bank breached contracts and fiduciary duties, and engaged in misleading and negligent conduct.
They were seeking compensation for losses incurred on investments made on advice from Grange Securities, which was bought by Lehman Brothers Australia in 2007.
The plaintiffs claimed the bank did not make them aware of the risks involved with investing in complex financial products known as synthetic collateralised debt obligations (SCDOs).
Leading the action against Lehman Brothers was Wingecarribee Shire Council, southwest of Sydney, which sought $21.4 million in losses.
...Justice Steven Rares said Grange knew the SCDOs were risky, illiquid and if sold might be realised at far less than their face value.
“For these reasons Grange is liable to compensate the councils for their losses incurred as a result of these investments,” he said.
He did not make an order on the amount of damages and instead will hear submissions on the matter on November 5.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#145378 09/21/1205:22 PM09/21/1205:22 PM
Silver and Gold has always been the reliable currencies of the past because of its reliability, low wear, easily stored, doesn't decay, etc...).
I'm not saying that trading will only be done via gold and silver. Commodities(food, services, etc...) can be traded between individual also. . . .
I must say, the idea that God punished humans by flooding the earth because aliens chose to have sex with them does not sound so far in outfield now. Not that I buy it, but it just doesn't seem so wild and outlandish.
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: kland]
#145500 09/24/1208:48 PM09/24/1208:48 PM
The Jesuits created a financial alliance with the House of Rothschild to back Weishaupt in the creation of the Illuminati.
The connection between the Jesuit and the Cabals(Rothschild family being the main head) is discussed at the Mystery Babylon and The Cabalist topic. Here's some quotes:
Originally Posted By: Mystery Babylon and the Cabalist
“The Illuminati Order was preceded in the 1500's in Spain by the "Alumbrados," a Christian heresy started by crypto Jews called "Marranos." The founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius of Loyola, was a Marrano . (114) Thus when people today argue whether it is the Jesuits or the Illuminati who are responsible for our troubles, they are really talking about the same beast. “ ... In brief they(the Cabalists who follow the mystic teachings of the Kabbalah) are a group of dynastic families from a Jewish sect called Sabbateans (followers of the self proclaim Messiah & Prophet named Sabbatai Zevy) by which were originally descendents of the Spanish Marranos. ... “The Sabbatean and Frankist heresies of the 1600's succeeded the Adumbrados and led directly to the Illuminati in the 1700's. Livingstone writes:
"The Frankists were bent not only on the eradication and humiliation of the majority of the Jewish community, who refused to accept their deviations...but of all religions, and they exploited the Zionist ideals to disguise their quest for world domination. The Frankists believed that...all that had been prohibited [by the Torah] was now permitted, or even mandatory. This included prohibited sexual unions, orgies and incest...."
"Despite the fact that they were outwardly religious, the Frankists sought the annihilation of every religion and positive system of belief, and they dreamed of a general revolution that would sweep away the past in a single stroke so that the world may be rebuilt...for Jacob Frank, anarchic destruction represented all the Luciferian radiance, all the tones and overtones, of the word Life." (125) ... “According to a research paper by Andrew Hitchcock, Adam Weishaupt was paid to start this group by none other than Mayer Amschel Rothschild – in 1770.
I also provided some historical background about the Holy Aliance treaty sign in 1815 which mark the rise of the second Beast of Rev 13 in the discussion Mark of the Beast related to the 1st Beast or 2nd Beast of Rev 13 and WHO is the 2nd Beast?here and here.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#145768 10/06/1202:51 PM10/06/1202:51 PM
Here's a current reality check of what is going on today in the world. It is a 22 min. interview of Gerald Caliente from Trend Research Institute.
Gerald speaks directly about was going on during JFK Presidential where he was told personally by John Connelly(who receive one of the bullet while with JFK) back then that if the people knew about the corruption behind the scenes there would be a revolution. He briefly list the corruptions as known as of today, which is by far worst than back then.
He describes the current and next Presidential office as the biggest leadership vaccum of all times. It is a show and a disgrace giving the people to elect between two evils that is the same.
He also talks about that it's all about the wars and not the economy. Then he closes with the current economy status in the world that is about to fall.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#145822 10/08/1204:51 PM10/08/1204:51 PM
So you would agree that it's not the banks but the Jesuits behind it and all the other organizations. The banks are only a tool, like many of their other enterprises, they use to exert their power and control.
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