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The reasoning goes thus:

The view of early Seventh-day Adventist writers concerning 24 elders was that they were among resurrected with Christ and were taken to heaven with Him at His ascension.

Since these resurrected ones included people who lived prior to Noah as well as in the time of Abraham these would be "more like the angels in form..."

So when EGW was SHOWN (visual vision) one of the elders explaining things to John, she discribed him as a "mighty angel" because that is what he looked like.

By definition 'elder' means the the eldest patriarch in the Family in all the tribe who has the capacity to lead.

Who was our 'elder'? Adam was.

When Adam lost it Satan was permitted to come before God again and he proceeded to accuse the brethren.

Satan usurped the eldership of Adam so Jesus had to come rescue that position away from Satan becoming the second Adam.

Jesus is now our elder and this is our blessing.

The 24 elders before the throne are not from this world, they are the Adams of their universes. They never lost the right to access of the throne or tree of life so they have ever been before the throne since creation. When ever they were to meet before God they did not need an intercessor because they had not fallen. In fact each 'Elder' is the intercessor for their people bringing all the prayers of their tribes to the Father in truth and love.

Everything the high priest was responsible for in the temple are the duties of the Elder of each planet.

Jesus is our high priest before the throne for us now after he was resurrected victorious.

The unfallen Adams do not need redemption so that area of High priestly ministry is not a part of their duties nut the communication for their people. They present the prayers of their saints.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Just as the incense of the merits of Christ righteousness ascend to the Father by the hand of Jesus in the temple for us, so the Elders offer their peoples prayers directly through to the Father in the name of Jesus, their relationship unbroken.

If I may ask, where are these other universes located, and where does the Bible speak of them?

Also, if these 24 elders do not need an intercessor because they have never fallen, why do their people need an intercessor?

The High Priest's duties and the temple process were instituted to deal with the sin problem. Why, if the people have not sinned, would they need an intercessor or priest, or an Elder who performs the duties of the priest?

Their saints, being unfallen, would communicate directly with God face to face. There would be no need for prayer. God is always there.


Why would the prayers of unfallen people be offered through Jesus' name? Jesus came to earth for the salvation of humanity. What relation does he have to the inhabitants of other unfallen worlds?

Where are these other Universes located?

"the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people"

Like the Father of every family is the priest of their family so are the 24 Elders the elders of their race and they present the prayers of their people to the Father.

God created multiple Universes as a contingency plan to keep sin from contaminating or disrupting unfallen worlds. Why would God allow sinless beings to be put in the midst of Quasars, Pulsars, black holes, Nova and super Nova, Galaxies colliding and demons roaring? He created separate Universes to quarantine Evil from Good. The Garden of Eden is where all the universes come together so they can all eat from the tree of life.

The theory of multiple Universes is so accepted in the world of Physics I'm surprised you have not read about it.

The theory I am partial to is the "Bubble Universe" theory and I believe it is connected to the Wheel within a wheel vision of Ezekiel.

The center would be where the New Jerusalem is in my imagination




Taken from the website 'Space.com'....

"The universe we live in may not be the only one out there. In fact, our universe could be just one of an infinite number of universes making up a "multiverse."
Though the concept may stretch credulity, there's good physics behind it. And there's not just one way to get to a multiverse — numerous physics theories independently point to such a conclusion. In fact, some experts think the existence of hidden universes is more likely than not."

JAK, you must remember, the connection between Adam and his race and God was severed. This means that before the Fall, Adam was in Christ, after the fall he was not.

Jesus is for every created being because He created them and they dwell in Him. So a prayer offered by an unfallen being is still in the name of Christ, it's just that Jesus does not need to interveign for the prayer to be heard.

But the structure of family is still vitally important.

Adam was our Grand Father. He lost his place before the throne So Jesus came and purchased our souls back. He not only presents our prayers He makes our prayers listenable to the Father in His righteousness through our acceptance.

The unfallen worlds never lost their connect with God so they present their own prayers through their chain of command directly to the Father.