If it wasn't a long time Christian host of the 700 Club it wouldn't be news, but for him to say to a woman whose husband cheated "men wander" and its her job to create a "wonderful home" so he doesn't cheat, is insensitive at the least for a minister and opens himself up to the charge of excusing or worse condoning a little 'wandering' as normal for Christians.

Pat Robertson, in response to a woman who was finding it hard to forgive her cheating husband, made the cheating incident into news item with his answer and appeared to endorse adultery if men do it, while blaming the victim.

Robertson then proceeded to take a stab at marriage counseling saying: "well, he's a man. Focus on why you married him in the first place, on what he does good. Does he provide a home for you to live in? Does he provide food for you to eat? Does he provide clothes for you to wear? Is he nice to the children? Does he take the kids to sporting events? Does he go out and watch their Little League games?

Robertson listed everything that"Ivy" needed to focus on with her cheating husband, conspicuously leaving the question of whether the man believes in Jesus Christ and/or the Bible out of the list: "Does he share with you stuff that's going on? Is he handsome? Start focusing on those things, and essentially fall in love with him all over again. And I recommend you reach out and touch him. Touch his face. Hold his hand. Look into his eyes. Talk to him. "

Pat went on to explain that "like it or not, males have a tendency to wander a little bit, and what you want to do is make a home so wonderful that he doesn't want to wander." Pat then described all of the temptations that exist in society for men, and why it's so hard to be a married man. "Everywhere you look there's some solicitation to the senses to entice a man!"
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/05/pat-robertson-husbands-cheat-on-wives.html
http://www.goddiscussion.com/109726/pat-...e-doesnt-cheat/

and he seemingly has excused mens infidelity in prior broadcasts...
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/pat...a_man_20121113/

Not surprising in a sinful world where even in churches men are retaining this ancient pagan headship role.

My problem, if he said that, is: He makes the woman resp;onsible. ". . . make the home so wonderful that he doesn't want to wander." The implication is tha the wife is at fault--nonsense.

I wonder: In our society todaya, women wander. Would he say the same thing to a man whose wife cheated on himl? Would he blame the man who did nto make his home so sonderful?

I wonder, if a woman gets raped, would Robertson say it was her fault, because wore the wrong clothes and the man could not help it, or other excuse to misplace responsibility...

Headship is not pagan, although for some reason you despise it. I sometimes wonder if you wish you could be completely absolved of its responsibility.

Men who wish not to continue in their God-given role of headship are shirking their responsibilities. For a pastor, who has served in the headship role in a church capacity, to claim that headship is pagan is astonishing.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, you have every right to argue the Bibiical basis for what you believe. When you do so, you usually argue points that shouold be considered. But, in your post above you have personalized it to a point that I believe it would be better if you did not do so.

You say that Johann "dispises" it. It is clear that he does not agree with your position. But, to say that he dispises it goes beyond what you know about him. It is personalization on a level that I do not beleive you can support.

I will suggest that it is more appropriate for you to stick to the issue and not the person.

It may be, Gregory, that Johann does not see the gravity of his position. For me to call it anything but the color that it is would also be inappropriate. The world is in want of men who are unafraid to distinguish between wrong and right and call sin by its right name.

I will here say that calling headship "pagan" is a sin. It means that one must entirely disregard the plain teachings of the Word of God in order to accept such a position.

I will here provide some of those teachings, that all here may see and understand for themselves that headship is not of pagan root nor origin, but God-ordained.



Would God promote paganism? Of a certain no!

I will make this more straight and to the point yet--The following words are for those who would teach that headship is pagan:



Mrs. White clearly describes "headship" as part of the spiritual birthright passed down from father to son in the tradition of God's people.



Here, Mrs. White defines the "spiritual" and the "temporal" portions of the birthright in terms of "headship" and of material "wealth" respectively.

Headship is incontrovertibly God-ordained.

Who are those, by the way, who call evil good and good evil? Are they God's servants? Those who would teach that headship is pagan would teach that God ordains paganism.



Gregory, we are coming to perilous times. We are coming to times in which a much firmer stance will need to be taken by God's people. We need a holy boldness. I was just talking with a pastor this past Sabbath who tried to persuade me to not share my faith openly, lest I be cast into prison and bring reproach upon God's church and work in this country. He himself was imprisoned for seven months at one time, and is now very careful in his religious movements and activities. Is this what God wants? Peter was instructed by the angel who freed him from prison to go right back to where he had the day before offended the scribes and Pharisees and preach again. They forbad him from preaching Christ, but God said go forward. We need more people like Peter. Holy boldness is required. Persecution may come; but may God's people be ready to stand true and firm no matter what happens.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

So now I'm accused of being as evil as a certain green bird!!!

Ellen White tells us the story of a man who believed in preaching with his actions. His work was to prepare for the railroad tracks to be laid. To be sure the Sunday keepers understood they were not keeping the right day he blew up some granite on Sunday morning which shook up the church during worship time.

Anything to cause persecution.

Green:

You totally failed to understand my point. I apologize for any lack on my part that resulted in you failing to understand.

You have every right to argue the Biblical position. I do not have a problem with that whether I agree with you, which IL sometimes do, or whether I disagree with you, which IL sometimes do.

Argue your posistion, but polease do not attack the person who disagrees with you. You attacked Johann, instead of arguing the isue.

Gregory,

It has not been my intent to attack, unless you see rebuking as attacking. I may not have all the proper tact in my approach that I should have, but in my last two posts I feel I have addressed the discussion of this thread more than I see in your last two posts here.

As I am probably a total failure, I will stop here.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.