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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: kland] #156788
10/01/13 06:19 PM
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kland, since DA came up, consider the following quotation:
Originally Posted By: EGW in DA
The prophet John was the connecting link between the two dispensations. As God's representative he stood forth to show the relation of the law and the prophets to the Christian dispensation. He was the lesser light, which was to be followed by a greater. The mind of John was illuminated by the Holy Spirit, that he might shed light upon his people; but no other light ever has shone or ever will shine so clearly upon fallen man as that which emanated from the teaching and example of Jesus. {DA 220.2}
John was the lesser light. Christ was the greater light. And also note what the BRIGHTEST light to shine on fallen man was!!! Christ's teaching and example while he was a man walking on this planet! Have we heard this denied anywhere? Yes we have! His life and teaching are the clearest light we have. Christ is the greater light!


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #156798
10/02/13 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Originally Posted By: dedication
I thought this thread was about bible translations ???????


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Exactly! And the Desire of Ages shows us what is essetial to evaluate a Bible translation.


However, the compilation was made to prove a point that has taken up hundreds of pages of debate on this forum, it was not made to vindicate any Bible translation.


One thing about EGW's writings, one can easily compile sentences and phrases to prove a one-sided picture, and if people do that, and then insist the Bible must now agree with this one sided (chose only the sentences one agrees with and exclude her other statements) they can end up with a Bible translation that isn't true to the original writers intent and has lost all its authority to speak the truth.

This is all backwards --
1) find the sentences from EGW that fit one's understanding
2) compile them
3) make the Bible fit these selected EGW quotes

Is that the way?

The opposite happens often as well -- those who despise EGW's writings compile their own sentences and phrases to give a one sided picture of what she wrote and then find the sentences and phrases in scripture that "give the other side" in order to condemn her writings.
(Even though scripture and EGW present both sides as part of a whole)

What we need to do is read things in CONTEXT and take the full picture into perspective.


Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: dedication] #156799
10/02/13 01:56 AM
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For example:
Originally Posted By: APL

Quote:
In stooping to take upon Himself humanity, Christ revealed a character the opposite of the character of Satan {DA 25.1}

Satan is the destroyer, God is the restorer. When we make God the destroyer, we are giving Him the character of Satan.


Right there APL threw in his opinion.
First he, in multiple postings has attempted to fill the mind with the thought that for God to execute justice in ending sin, this would make Him the destroyer in the same sense that Satan destroys by his corruption and evil. Thus he channels the quote into his agenda.

Yet when we read the quote in context we realize the contrast in Character is --
Satan in arrogance and pride seeks to elevate self above God, and he WANTS to destroy and corrupt man, causing separation and rebellion against God.
Christ on the other hand, willingly humbles Himself to the lowest point, taking our sin and suffering our penalty so that we might be lifted up, restored back into fellowship with God.

This has nothing to do with the final eradication of sin. (Except that God has made every provision for mankind to be saved -- there is no need for any to be lost)

Quote:
To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them... wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed "with the Spirit of His mouth," and destroyed "with the brightness of His coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}


So you see -- this wasn't about Bible translations but simply a continuation of the debate that has been going on other threads.




Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: dedication] #156805
10/02/13 05:05 AM
10/02/13 05:05 AM
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That was the reasonI did not quote, but urge people to read the whole book.
Considering the whole message your quotation is also out of context.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: dedication] #156806
10/02/13 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Originally Posted By: Johann
Originally Posted By: dedication
I thought this thread was about bible translations ???????


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Exactly! And the Desire of Ages shows us what is essetial to evaluate a Bible translation.


However, the compilation was made to prove a point that has taken up hundreds of pages of debate on this forum, it was not made to vindicate any Bible translation.


One thing about EGW's writings, one can easily compile sentences and phrases to prove a one-sided picture, and if people do that, and then insist the Bible must now agree with this one sided (chose only the sentences one agrees with and exclude her other statements) they can end up with a Bible translation that isn't true to the original writers intent and has lost all its authority to speak the truth.

This is all backwards --
1) find the sentences from EGW that fit one's understanding
2) compile them
3) make the Bible fit these selected EGW quotes

Is that the way?

The opposite happens often as well -- those who despise EGW's writings compile their own sentences and phrases to give a one sided picture of what she wrote and then find the sentences and phrases in scripture that "give the other side" in order to condemn her writings.
(Even though scripture and EGW present both sides as part of a whole)

What we need to do is read things in CONTEXT and take the full picture into perspective.

BUT - if you find a conflict, they need to be reconciled. When she say for example, that the punishment for sin does not come directly from God but "in this way", that needs to be included with references that say "fire comes down from God". Like the Bible, everything needs to be read as a whole.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: APL] #156807
10/02/13 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Right there APL threw in his opinion.
No kidding? I have opinions? Did I say it was a quote of the Bible? No. Did I say it was a quote of EGW? No. Is it an interpretation of mine? YES! YOU have also thrown out opinions. Yes, I read the Bible and EGW together, and find one central idea through out. God is EXACTLY like Jesus. Jesus DID demonstrate what ultimately happens to sinners! We are not clueless as to the fate of the wicked. We have been shown conclusive evidence. WHY do people want to make God have the attributes of Satan?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: kland] #156808
10/02/13 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Now there's a blind assumption I'm coming face to face with. I assumed the Bible was the greater light. I had never thought of Christ being the Greater Light referred to. I wonder how many others assumed that? Ellen White probably thought it was obvious!
Jesus IS the Light. HE is the light of the world. The Bible reflects that light. EGW reflects that light. We do argue about Bible versions, which one is "right". Jesus is the ultimate light. But look at the comments that have been made about rejecting the light that Jesus has given here on MSABOL. In fact, Jesus' life on this planet has been minimized! We can argue translations all we want, but if we reject the Greater Light, what does it matter?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: APL] #156809
10/02/13 07:58 AM
10/02/13 07:58 AM
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Amen


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #156820
10/03/13 02:03 AM
10/03/13 02:03 AM
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topic

It seems that this thread has gone off topic, therefore, please post on topic to this thread and discuss this off-topic stuff in a more appropriate thread.

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Daryl] #156822
10/03/13 08:53 AM
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My relgion is my total life. If I have to separate it into small compartments it smatters my faith . Is this what you want to do? Cheap religion is separeted into small boxes where you deal with them separately. This is the nature of pagan religion where you have different gods to take care of the various aspects of life.
In Adventism health, deportment, business, life education is all a part of your relationship with Jesus Christ, and cannot be fully separated. All intermingles and makes it impossible to make a complete separation, unless you want to make a forum for a separate cult.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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